Mylo.X.
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An obituray notice printed in an Egyptian newspaper called al-Ward, in December 2001 seems to suggest otherwise.
Bin Laden's Obituary Notice - PaulCraigRoberts.org
Bin Laden's Obituary Notice - PaulCraigRoberts.org
Did Navy Seals really kill Osama bin Laden in 2011?
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Mylo.X.
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Some valid points made at the end.
The Killing of Osama bin Laden was an “American Hoax” | Global Research
The Killing of Osama bin Laden was an “American Hoax” | Global Research
vodkafan
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Osama Bin Laden is dead?? 
gridwerk
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New guy here, this is my inaugural post so I'll keep it light.
After spending a good amount of my free time following conspiracy theories and other such Modern American Mythologies it has become my opinion that whenever an artical quotes a source "who asks to remain anonymous" or is "speaking on the condition of anonymity" the statement that follows is typically completely fabricated. Maybe not always and maybe I'm cynical but it just seems like no one puts their name on any of the really important statements anymore. The great book of quotes a hundred years from now will all be attributed to anonymous/unknown.
Granted I understand you can get killed in that part of the world for saying such things but if a person is going to risk their life merely for a passing comment then why not take some real risk and add some pics of the body as proof- especially since a few scant months prior the guy was blamed for the worst attack on American soil. To quote Ed Rooney (Ferris Bueller): "Yeah, that's right, just roll her old bones on over here, and I'll dig up your daughter. You know that's school policy".
Just my .02 on that.
After spending a good amount of my free time following conspiracy theories and other such Modern American Mythologies it has become my opinion that whenever an artical quotes a source "who asks to remain anonymous" or is "speaking on the condition of anonymity" the statement that follows is typically completely fabricated. Maybe not always and maybe I'm cynical but it just seems like no one puts their name on any of the really important statements anymore. The great book of quotes a hundred years from now will all be attributed to anonymous/unknown.
Granted I understand you can get killed in that part of the world for saying such things but if a person is going to risk their life merely for a passing comment then why not take some real risk and add some pics of the body as proof- especially since a few scant months prior the guy was blamed for the worst attack on American soil. To quote Ed Rooney (Ferris Bueller): "Yeah, that's right, just roll her old bones on over here, and I'll dig up your daughter. You know that's school policy".
Just my .02 on that.
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gridwerk,
Since the 1970's this is how much journalism has changed. Below is a quote from the movie script for All the President's Men which is basically a direct quote from Woodward and Bernstein's book of the same title:
The WashingtonPost wanted to hang President Nixon. But Bradlee also wanted to make sure that The
Post had the story right and could back it up with facts. In the book
Woodward makes is clear that Bradlee did not want and did not trust anonymous
sources. How things have changed.
Since the 1970's this is how much journalism has changed. Below is a quote from the movie script for All the President's Men which is basically a direct quote from Woodward and Bernstein's book of the same title:
The WashingtonPost wanted to hang President Nixon. But Bradlee also wanted to make sure that The
Post had the story right and could back it up with facts. In the book
Woodward makes is clear that Bradlee did not want and did not trust anonymous
sources. How things have changed.
Time Will Wipe Us Out
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Yes.
These links do nothing to discredit the official story. I am immediately very, very skeptical of any article that tries to convince me of a position when it first lays in as much detail as possible that the opposing party has lied before. In fact, the author encourages you to keep this in the forefront of your mind. Don't bother to question who the author is, what his motives are, or what his trustworthyness is.
Not to mention, this article does confirm that people were dropped from a helicopter into a secretive compound in Pakistan. What for? There is no explanation.
On top of it all, would anybody care to explain why the government would lie about the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011? If anything, this would reduce the willingness of American people to continue to support our foreign wars. It was too far away from the 2012 election to hold much sway. What is the motivation? For fun?
Don't keep your mind so open that your brains spill out.
Moz
These links do nothing to discredit the official story. I am immediately very, very skeptical of any article that tries to convince me of a position when it first lays in as much detail as possible that the opposing party has lied before. In fact, the author encourages you to keep this in the forefront of your mind. Don't bother to question who the author is, what his motives are, or what his trustworthyness is.
Not to mention, this article does confirm that people were dropped from a helicopter into a secretive compound in Pakistan. What for? There is no explanation.
On top of it all, would anybody care to explain why the government would lie about the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011? If anything, this would reduce the willingness of American people to continue to support our foreign wars. It was too far away from the 2012 election to hold much sway. What is the motivation? For fun?
Don't keep your mind so open that your brains spill out.
Moz
Darby
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Good job.
One way to approach the article (or any article for that matter) is to open it, highlight it and copy it to a Word document. Then highlight and delete everything that it unsupported opinion, irrelevant or "filler". Then see what you have left. The only thing left should be whatever facts that were presented.
The technical name is "reading for content" or "putting on the bullshit goggles".
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Bhutto clearly misspoke when she aid Omar Sheik murdered Osama bin Laden. Omar Sheikh is only famous for murdering American Daniel Pearl in 2002 by beheading. And had been incarcerated for it since 2002. Additionally, if you watch the whole interview, Bhutto refers to Osama bin Laden alive multiple times.
If Osama bin Laden had been definitely murdered, it would have been a huge news story somewhere.
If Osama bin Laden had been definitely murdered, it would have been a huge news story somewhere.
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Mylo.X.
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Can you post a link to the whole interview, as I cannot seem to find it. Thanks.
Additionally, do you have any rebuttal to this?:
"al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden’s Death and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad -"
A Funeral Notice for Osama bin Laden was published on December 26, 2001, in the Egyptian newspaper al-Ward. An English translation is provided below. Anyone fluent in Arabic is invited to verify or correct the translation. This item was sent to me from a reader abroad.
Additionally, do you have any rebuttal to this?:
"al-Wafd, Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633
News of Bin Laden’s Death and Funeral 10 days ago
Islamabad -"
A Funeral Notice for Osama bin Laden was published on December 26, 2001, in the Egyptian newspaper al-Ward. An English translation is provided below. Anyone fluent in Arabic is invited to verify or correct the translation. This item was sent to me from a reader abroad.
Mylo.X.
I decided to take a look at the name Osama bin Laden and see if it was common in the Arab world, like James, or Smith, or Johnson are in America. It appears the bin Laden family is a large family, the name Osama is common, but I didn't find anyone else with that exact name.
But, I did find this. Perhaps it is related.
Osama’s Will, Arabic Names, and Romanization of Arabic
Posted on 5/12/2011 by Curzon
Osama’s “Will” was recently released by a Kuwaiti newspaper. The title of the document is misleading — a will, as a document that distributes assets and property, is not recognized in Islam, as inheritance must take place in accordance with Shariah principles. The document is in fact a final message to his children (not to join Al Qaeda) and wives (don’t remarry!). It was written in December 2001 — when Osama was on the run in Afghanistan and when he thought he might be killed. Notably, there is no message or mention of people such as Mullah Omar or Ayman Al Zawahiri, his comrades in arms in Afghanistan.
Osama’s Will, Arabic Names, and Romanization of Arabic | ComingAnarchy.com
I decided to take a look at the name Osama bin Laden and see if it was common in the Arab world, like James, or Smith, or Johnson are in America. It appears the bin Laden family is a large family, the name Osama is common, but I didn't find anyone else with that exact name.
But, I did find this. Perhaps it is related.
Osama’s Will, Arabic Names, and Romanization of Arabic
Posted on 5/12/2011 by Curzon
Osama’s “Will” was recently released by a Kuwaiti newspaper. The title of the document is misleading — a will, as a document that distributes assets and property, is not recognized in Islam, as inheritance must take place in accordance with Shariah principles. The document is in fact a final message to his children (not to join Al Qaeda) and wives (don’t remarry!). It was written in December 2001 — when Osama was on the run in Afghanistan and when he thought he might be killed. Notably, there is no message or mention of people such as Mullah Omar or Ayman Al Zawahiri, his comrades in arms in Afghanistan.
Osama’s Will, Arabic Names, and Romanization of Arabic | ComingAnarchy.com
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Mylo.X.
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Thanks for the info GPA. I find it interesting that there have been reports of Osama Bin Laden's death in 2001 that was posted pre-2011. I also remember reading a newspaper interview with one of the many sons of Osama bin Laden who indicated that his dad had died. Even though this is a vague memory, I remember reading it before the birth of my children, which was pre-2011.
I am suspicious of the official "story" that has been fed to us by the media, of Bin Laden being killed by Navy Seals in 2011, and his body being disposed of in some unknown location in the sea.
I am suspicious of the official "story" that has been fed to us by the media, of Bin Laden being killed by Navy Seals in 2011, and his body being disposed of in some unknown location in the sea.
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I am not suspicious of the official story because I can see no reason to lie.
On the other hand, I could see why one of Osama bin Laden's children would announce his death. If taken seriously, the U.S. would have stopped pursuing him.
However, by claiming that Osama bin Laden was slain in 2011, President Obama would have put himself in a precarious situation were it not true. If Osama bin Laden shows up alive, or if somebody in al Qaeda brought the definitive proof that Osama bin Laden had already died, President Obama would have surely lost in 2012. No question.
Not to mention, al Qaeda officially responded to the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. A message signed by the "General Leadership" was sent out speaking about how our joy would soon turn to sorrow and that killing bin Laden would not kill that which he fought for.
Moz
P.S. I will find the interview when I get home. Youtube is not allowed at work.
On the other hand, I could see why one of Osama bin Laden's children would announce his death. If taken seriously, the U.S. would have stopped pursuing him.
However, by claiming that Osama bin Laden was slain in 2011, President Obama would have put himself in a precarious situation were it not true. If Osama bin Laden shows up alive, or if somebody in al Qaeda brought the definitive proof that Osama bin Laden had already died, President Obama would have surely lost in 2012. No question.
Not to mention, al Qaeda officially responded to the death of Osama bin Laden in 2011. A message signed by the "General Leadership" was sent out speaking about how our joy would soon turn to sorrow and that killing bin Laden would not kill that which he fought for.
Moz
P.S. I will find the interview when I get home. Youtube is not allowed at work.
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[quote="Time Will Wipe Us Out, post: 82820, member: 18439 Additionally, if you watch the whole interview, Bhutto refers to Osama bin Laden alive multiple times.
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I'm wondering which video/interview you were watching??? Nowhere in the 14 minute video interview did Bhutto refer to Osama bin Laden being alive mulitple times!!! She mentions Osama Bin Laden's name once (in reference to him being murdered). She also mentions Hamza Bin Laden once (a son of bin Laden). With due respect, it's evident you have not even watched the interview in question.
"On the other hand, I could see why one of Osama bin Laden's children would announce his death."
Hold your horses... where did you get this notion of a death announcement from? From what I remember, one of his sons was being interviewed about his private life and his son mentioned his father's death in passing (not an official announcement as you seemed to have inferred).
One point you have not addressed is the egyptian post detailing the death and funeral of Bin Laden in 2001?
Also, here are some other points for you to ponder: (I have copied and posted this):
In official al quaeda statements, bin laden adamantly said he played no part in the 9/11 atrocity.
Within hours of US air strikes on tora bora region on October 2001, Bin Laden made his first video appearence, looking pale and gaunt with a grey beard & rejected any responsibility for 9/11 attacks. He made another video appearance in November 3rd 2001, still looking gaunt, grey bearded etc....
Silence until December 13th 2001 (the date after many considered him to have died). On december 13th, the US GOVERNMENT released a new video tape of Bin Laden, who now claims responsibility of 9/11. He now looks a more weighty, healthy person, with a black beard and not a grey one. Furthermore, Bin Laden can be seen writing with his right hand, although he is left-handed.
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I'm wondering which video/interview you were watching??? Nowhere in the 14 minute video interview did Bhutto refer to Osama bin Laden being alive mulitple times!!! She mentions Osama Bin Laden's name once (in reference to him being murdered). She also mentions Hamza Bin Laden once (a son of bin Laden). With due respect, it's evident you have not even watched the interview in question.
"On the other hand, I could see why one of Osama bin Laden's children would announce his death."
Hold your horses... where did you get this notion of a death announcement from? From what I remember, one of his sons was being interviewed about his private life and his son mentioned his father's death in passing (not an official announcement as you seemed to have inferred).
One point you have not addressed is the egyptian post detailing the death and funeral of Bin Laden in 2001?
Also, here are some other points for you to ponder: (I have copied and posted this):
In official al quaeda statements, bin laden adamantly said he played no part in the 9/11 atrocity.
Within hours of US air strikes on tora bora region on October 2001, Bin Laden made his first video appearence, looking pale and gaunt with a grey beard & rejected any responsibility for 9/11 attacks. He made another video appearance in November 3rd 2001, still looking gaunt, grey bearded etc....
Silence until December 13th 2001 (the date after many considered him to have died). On december 13th, the US GOVERNMENT released a new video tape of Bin Laden, who now claims responsibility of 9/11. He now looks a more weighty, healthy person, with a black beard and not a grey one. Furthermore, Bin Laden can be seen writing with his right hand, although he is left-handed.
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I just came across this on the internet: (copied & pasted)
Sam
28 June 14
I remember in late 2001, Osama Bin Laden dying of an illness of sorts. I recall very vividly the news broadcast that was shown when word got out of his death.
Sam
28 June 14
I remember in late 2001, Osama Bin Laden dying of an illness of sorts. I recall very vividly the news broadcast that was shown when word got out of his death.
