Re: Newsflash - Energy is THE Truth!
I thought we already agreed on this subject. You’re absolutely right. However, this doesn’t in any way indicate that energy is selfaware. Energy does not express any form of selfawareness, or intelligence for that matter. Information needs processing and is quite useless in itself.
First of all, I don’t think the ability to create is really a mystery. I think it’s the result of millions of years of evolutions where our central nervous system has evolved to a tool that allows us to create.
Second, we are all energy. Everything is energy. However, not everything is selfaware. That’s a bit like saying “all the soccerplayers in the world are human, so all humans must be soccerplayers”. I am selfaware, you are selfaware, but the universe isn’t.
Only time will tell which is the right way. I do not proclaim a strict seperation of science and spirituality, as long as we do not bluntly accept either as the absolute truth. If they are to be integrated, science will have to open to experiences that can not be sensed or measured in the traditional way, whereas spiritual experiences will no longer count as absolutes anymore. “God” will be just as much a theory as any other scientifical concept.
Yes, in the same way that the Egyptians worshipped one god in its many aspects. My point was, that if you think they had advanced knowledge of spirtuality, perhaps it may prove necessary to worship god in every singe aspect. If Egyptians really were ahead of us in every field, why not copy their believesystem?
I do understand the concept of 0=1, but I do not (yet) acknowledge its validity. Using your version of the Energy Equation you can proof that 0 equals any value. So 0 = 1, 0 = 2, 0 = 3, and so on… While this may “prove” that 0 equals everything, I doubt that this equation has any valid mathematical or physical foundation. I’ll try to provide proof for that shortly.
I was not trying to create the illusion that I have scientific proof for that statement. I do not really believe that aliens visited the ancient Egyptians, although I do consider it as one of many possibilities. To me it just seems more probable. Actually the reason why I think it seems more probable could be classified as “spiritual” rather than “scientific”. When I was around the age of 11 or 12 I read a book by Erich von Däniken which left such an impression that, as to date, still arouses my interest in things like aliens, ufo’s, cropcircles and advanced ancient cultures.
In that case I have no problem with the integration of science and spirituality. In fact, I can already think beyond “the physical” and I can visualize that everything is in fact energy.
You could say that Energy appears in infinite ways. I was going to write: “Energy manifests itself in infinite ways”, but that would imply that Energy is selfaware which I definitely think it’s not.
I do see what you’re talking about and I think it’s something old in a new fur
In my opinion something “new” would be taking god completely out of the equation. That does neccesarily not rule out the integration of spirituality and science. Perhaps spirituality will become a useful tool in proving that god does not exist.
I will at least try to prove your 0=1 equation wrong. Please allow me some time, since physics and mathematics are not my strongest point 
As mentioned above, I do not really belief this. I merely consider it as one of many possibilities. I think that the existing theories about where, by whom and how the numerical system was created will suffice until new facts arise. Also, from an evolutionary point of view it seems perfectly logical that humans would create a numerical system. When humans become aware of quantities, eventually they will feel the need to communicate these quantities to other humans. I can imagine that, when hunting, an individual might want to indicate how many prey animals or predators there are on the other side of a hill. In its most primitive form this could have been dashes written in the soil with a twig, but eventually this system evolved into a much more complex numerical system. This is a universal need, which would also explain why so many different kinds of numerical systems were invented by various cultures.
Oh, like just like the existence of god?
This is a perfect example of your talent for taking my words out of context. Of course the structure of the energetic shell of atoms is significant. The fact that there are 7 energy levels is insignificant. More specifically, the number 7 in this context is insignificant. There are 7 energy levels… so what? What does this tell us about the number 7?
Good! So you agree that the numbers 3 and 7 do not have any particular meaning? So any occurance of that number is either accidental or purposely used by the author?
I know for a fact that you have a better sense of humour
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The discussion over the number 7 started with you claiming that it couldn’t have been created by humans because there are 7 seven distinct electron energy levels that align with religious references to the number 7. This similarity is insignificant. It would seem significant, but if religions would have mentioned 5 instead of 7, you would have found anoother similarity. That’s my point!
Correction: blueprint for humans and animals.
I didn’t say it wasn’t worth researching. I am simply not qualified to start looking for possible similarities between the tree of life and DNA. If a revolutionary discovery is made in this field, I’m sure I’ll hear about it from people who are qualified. These things do arouse my interest, but not from a spiritual point of view.
This might interest you! But I guess you are already aware of this particular case.
So the chance is big that if you take a number that’s represented in the Tree of Life, there’s a matching binary sequence number.
So 5 is another significant number
If you keep this rate up, I think we’ll have thousands of “significant” numbers that match the model of the tree of life.
I’ll help you remind.
But that didn’t keep them from doing so. Also, these are different times.
I agree… Good ol’ non-selfaware Energy
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No. I seek truth (sometimes more passively than other times), but I haven’t found it yet. Just like you I can only “have faith” in the things I read and hear. In my opinion science should be an ongoing process of trial and error. People make mistakes, but everytime we make a mistake we learn from it and it allows us to complete another part of this immensly large puzzle. Now, I don’t mind integration of science and spirituality. What I do mind is playing Jeopardy! The answer is “God exists”, now lets find a question that matches this answer. That’s just not the “non-linear thinking” we are after! Of course the answer “God exists” can be one of many theories that we can either prove or disprove. There are no absolute truths (and I think you’ve already said that yourself on one or more occasions). 
I wonder if there are any great minds that do no agree with this understanding. Now this may seem as a negative approach, but it is not meant as such. If I read an article by a renowned scientist, it is most likely that the matter he discusses will be presented in such a a way that it can convince other scientists, let alone a simple mind like myself
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Cheers,
Roel