Re: Independent Source tells about TGC
Recall:
**Very **interesting. I read through as many of the “messages” as time allowed, to get an idea of what was being presented in your post, Recall.
You really opened a can of worms with posting something from the theological realm, and I am not implying that this was done on purpose by you, Recall, nor is the “opening of” due to any fault of yours, and actually it is a great thing to see you wanting to make the connections, or to perhaps better understand these concepts.
The first element that is sought with any “messages” from God ( in essence, God “is” the source of this kind of information ), is whether the message is supported by Scripture.
No-where within that site did I see any references to the Scriptures, and this in itself is a red flag.
Keep in mind that God creates perfectly, and Satan was created by God. This means that Satan is the perfect deceiver, just as he was created to be. A simple alteration of one word, can change the meaning of an entire message.
And with alot of the material presented and attributed to God, sometimes it is very, very difficult to detect the subtle deceptions.
There are debates on many theological issues, one of those being whether it is appropriate to pray to the Saints to be intercessors “for” us to God.
The difficulty arises with making certain to keep the proper order of God and those less-than God, to not elevate any of them to the same level AS God, or higher than God.
Jesus also warns us “in Scripture” :
Matthew 24:24 *
“24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect ( God’s chosen ones).”
From the Message Archive within site you provided the link for ( thank-you, Recall, I do have a certain respect for you, even though it may sometimes appear otherwise, and you always reference your sources )
December 22, 1993 -
Bless you in the Name of Emmanuel, your God Who is with you.
Emmanual (Septuagint Emmanouel; A.V., Immanuel) signifies “God with us” **Very subtle, indeed. Bless You in the Name of Emmanuel, your God , ( THEN ) Who is with you . Jesus is NOT our God. And Emmanuel means God with us, so there was no reason to add on the additonal words of ; your God Who is with you.
A slight variation of what is said in Scripture, but hardly worth notice unless you really give it some thought as to what is being said in that message on December 22, 1993
January 26, 1994-
*Pray to those who rest in peace (the Saints), * for they know the depth of my Son’s Love which you have not yet grasped. Pray they intercede for you…
Jesus is Mercy; but if you will not accept His Mercy, He will have no choice than to be a God of Justice.
Once again, very subtle, however, Jesus is NOT a God of Justice. This message is also somewhat contrary in context.
(1-A) " Pray to those who rest in Peace ( The Saints ) "***It would seem that the saints have no knowledge of our prayers. For a gloss on Isaiah 62:16, “Thou art our father and Abraham hath not known us, and Israel hath been ignorant of us,” says that “the dead saints know not what the living, even their own children, are doing.” This is taken from Augustine (De Cura pro Mort. xiii), where he quotes the aforesaid authority, and the following are his words: “If such great men as the patriarchs knew not what was happening to the people begotten of them, how can the dead occupy themselves in watching and helping the affairs and actions of the living?” Therefore the saints cannot be cognizant of our prayers. "
Thus, Praying to those who rest in Peace ( The DEAD Saints ), according to Isaiah, these "dead Saints would not be capable of knowing of our condition, nor be able to intercede “for” us to God.
(2-A) " Pray they intercede for you…"
On the contrary;
*** "It is written (Job 5:1): “Call . . . if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints.” Now, as Gregory says (Moral. v, 30) on this passage, “we call upon God when we beseech Him in humble prayer.” Therefore when we wish to pray God, we should turn to the saints, that they may pray God for us.
Further, the saints who are in heaven are more acceptable to God than those who are on the way. Now we should make the saints, who are on the way, our intercessors with God, after the example of the Apostle, who said (Romans 15:30): “I beseech you . . . brethren, through our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God.” Much more, therefore, should we ask the saints who are in heaven to help us by their prayers to God.
Further, an additional argument is provided by the common custom of the Church which asks for the prayers of the saints in the Litany.
According to Dionysius (Eccl. Hier. v) the order established by God among things is that “the last should be led to God by those that are midway between.” Wherefore, since the saints who are in heaven are nearest to God, the order of the Divine law requires that we, who while we remain in the body are pilgrims from the Lord, should be brought back to God by the saints who are between us and Him: and this happens when the Divine goodness pours forth its effect into us through them. And since our return to God should correspond to the outflow of His boons upon us, just as the Divine favors reach us by means of the saints intercession, so should we, by their means, be brought back to God, that we may receive His favors again. Hence it is that we make them our intercessors with God, and our mediators as it were, when we ask them to pray for us. "
Pray to those who rest in Peace (the Saints) - Pray they intercede for you…
(1-B) Praying to those (the Saints) who rest in Peace (are dead?) seems to indicating ( to me, anyway ) that the Saints are at resting in Peace, and are indeed dead. Thus there would be no reason to pray “to them” as explained in 1-A.
(2-B) Pray they intercede for you; seems to be saying and that the Saints are NOT at rest in Peace, but are as explained in 2-A.
…the Apostle, who said (Romans 15:30): “I beseech you . . . brethren, through ( Not to ) our Lord Jesus Christ, and by the charity of the Holy Ghost, that you help me in your prayers for me to God.”
February 02, 1994 -
I present you this night to my Son with love and as your Mother.
Jeremias 31:22; “The Lord has created a new thing upon the earth: A woman shall compass a man”.
Holy Virgin Mary is “not” Mother to all men, but to one.
February 24, 1994 -
*You cannot change His words and live dishonest lives * and conceive that Peace could even exist.
There is only one way and that way is the Way of my Son in His Word of the Gospel .
He is your God.
Remember what is said here…You cannot change His words. This is important further along. The last sentence is a give away… He is your God . Nope. Jesus is NOT our God.
March 17, 1994 -
If you are religious, then being obedient to your superiors is doing the Will of the Father.
Exactly whom is said to be superior to be obedient to ?
April 28, 1994 -
Remove yourself and allow my Son to be your God.
Remove yourself ? allow my Son to be your God ? This is clearly not what has ever been indicated nor intended in “any” Scripture.
If you read the Bible in depth, you will notice that when messengers from God are speaking “for” God, that they never say “I”, meaning themselves. I am not referring to mortal figures, but the “heavenly” figures, such as the angels. When we read “I” in a message from God, or of God, the “I” is God, Himself, speaking of what He is saying or doing “through” any means He deems necessary.
This is why it becomes confusing when reading many texts and manuscripts, because the identity of whom is actually speaking gets shifted around alot.
As an example,
Genesis 18
Now the Lord appeared to Abrahsm by the oaks or terebinths of Mamre; as he sat at the door of his tent in the heat of the day.
2 He lifted up his eyes and looked and behold, three men stood at a little distance from him. He ran from the tent door to meet them and bowed himself to the ground.
3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant, I beg of you.
4 Let a little water be brought, and you may wash your feet and recline and rest yourselves under the tree.
5 And I will bring a morsel of bread to refresh and sustain your hearts before you go on further – for that is why you have come to your servant. And they replied, Do as you have said.
6 So Abaraham hastened into the tent to Sarah and said, Quickly, get ready three measures of fine meal, knead it, and bake cakes.
8 And he took curds and milk and the calf which he made ready, and set it before [the men]; and he stood by them under the tree while they ate.
9 And then they said to him, Where is Sarah your wife ? and he said, She is in the tent.
10 The Lord said, I will surely return to you when the season comes round, and behold, Sarah, your wife will have a Son. And Sarah was listening and heard it at the tent door which was behind Him.
12 Therefore Sarah laughed to herself…
13 And the Lord asked Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh, saying, Shall I really bear a child when I am so old ?
14 Is anything too hard for the Lord ? …
15 Then Sarah denied it, saying I did not laugh; for she was afraid. And He said, No, but you did laugh.
16 The men rose up from there and faced Sodom, and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
17 And the Lord said, Shall I hide from Abraham what I am going to do.
20 And the Lord said, Because the shriek [ of sins] of Sodom and Gommorrah is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous.
21 I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether [as viley and wickedly] as is the cry of it which has come to Me, and if not, I will know.
22 Now the [two] men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord.
33 And the Lord went His way when He had finished speaking with Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place
Genesis 19
1 It was evening when the two angels came to Sodom…
These passages point out several elements:
- **the Lord appeared ** to Abrahsm.
- **three men ** stood at a little distance from him.
- My Lord , if now I have found favor in your sight, do not pass by your servant.
- Let a little water be brought, and you may wash your feet and recline and rest yourselves under the tree.
- And they replied, Do as you have said.
- they said to him, Where is Sarah your wife ?
- The Lord said, I will surely return to you when the season comes round, and behold, Sarah, your wife will have a Son. And Sarah was listening and heard it at the tent door which was behind Him.
- Sarah laughed to herself
- **the Lord asked ** Abraham, Why did Sarah laugh?
- The men rose up from there and faced Sodom, and Abraham went with them to bring them on the way.
- the Lord said,
- I will go down now
- Now the ** [two]** men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. - And the Lord went His way when He had finished speaking with Abraham
- It was evening when the two angels came to Sodom.
There is alot of concepts that are contained in these verses. To address the “message” of the supposed Virgin Mary, if you look at what is siad within Genesis, you will notice that Abraham is approached by three angels.
These angles are messengers of God, with God working “through” them, or being revealed “through” those three angles, of whom has been identified as Michael, Gabriel and Raphael.
You might notice that God is a “presence” among the three men/angels. Never do the angels identify themselves outright, and never do you read exactly which of the three are speaking to Abraham. All three are on a mission of sorts for, with and God is working “through” them.
This is illustrated when we read that " The Lord said…" , not that either “Michael, Gabriel, or Raphael said…”.
Another point was made when Sarah laughed to “herself”, and the Lord asked Abraham why Sarah laughed ?
The three stood up, and went towards Sodom, but then we have only two going ahead, one staying behind with Abraham. Even though we can read that of three men, only two went on ahead towards Sodom, means that one “man” stayed behind with Abraham.
However, we still read; " The Lord said…" and " the Lord went His way when He had finished speaking with Abraham ".
We know that no “man” is God. We know that no “angel” is God. Yet, we are being given a revelation of “how” God conveys His messages to His children…“through” others, whether they be “men” or “angels”.
That the three men are angels is revealed in the first verse of Genesis 19 ; “It was evening when the two angels came to Sodom…”
I didn’t cover every single detail in my explaination in this post, but have an idea that you can understand the point’s contained in my reply.****This is also seen in the Prophecy of Dr. Doctorian.
On June 20 at 3:50am, here in Patmos suddenly my room was full of light, and there are no lights around here. It is a house all by itself at the end of the road near a monastery. Lo and behold, when I was wide-awake - I saw five beautiful angels. I saw their faces -perfect and human-like, but full of light. I saw their eyes, their hair, their hands.
On my right side were two angels, and when I looked to the left I saw three other angels with wings. They had beautiful white robes falling to the floor - something I can’t describe with human words.
I wondered why five angels had come, but I was trembling and shaking. I wanted to cry, but I could not. Just before I saw these angels in the Spirit. I had seen myself in a great meeting of multitudes, and I was preaching in English.
An interpreter was on my left with dark hair and a grey suit, but I can’t remember what language he was speaking. I was prophesying this message: “My church, you preach love, you teach love, but you need to practice love - to show love. There is need of unity in my body. There are many divisions among you. My spirit will not move and work where there is no unity. There is carnality in my church; too much uncleanness in my church. I desire and I want a holy people. I died to made you holy.”
While I was prophesying in the spirit I was trembling. My eyes opened and I was looking at the great multitude. And suddenly, in the midst of the prophecy, these mighty angels appeared. I went back from the pulpit and thought I was going to fall down. I am now wide-awake, but this is all happening in the spirit. Some power helped me not to fall down and I wondered what was happening.
Then suddenly the first angel on my right side said," We are five angels from the five continents. We are here to give you messages from the five continents of the world." The moment I heard that, I also heard the multitude crying out, “Ohhh, Ohhh, Ohhh;” I believe that multitude saw the angels also. Somehow **the Lord showed me ** that in the days to come, in many parts of the world, **God is going to reveal Himself through ** ministering angels.
The archived messages are almost right on spot, but have subtle variations to what is said in Scripture, and I did NOT see any reference’s to any portion of Scripture, and this is done with Dr. Doctorian’s experience. If you follow the referenced link below, and go to the bottom of the website page, the Scriptural references are listed there.
With regards to the message you posted:
“After awhile, you will see a time when there is another body in orbit around your solar system, coming between Earth and the Sun and leading to tremendous devastation.”
This is never mentioned in the Bible, and remember when I stated above " You cannot change His words ", means no one, even the Holy Virgin Mary, can change His[Jesus] words, which, in essence, means that no one, not even Jesus, can change His [God’s] Word.
There ARE Biblical Tests for any so-called Prophets…
Deuteronomy 13:1-4 – “If there arises among you a prophet or a dreamer of dreams, and he gives you a sign or a wonder, and the sign or the wonder comes to pass, of which he spoke to you, saying, ‘Let us go after other gods’—which you have not known—‘and let us serve them,’ you shall not listen to the words of that prophet or that dreamer of dreams, for the LORD your God is testing you to know whether you love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. You shall walk after the LORD your God and fear Him, and keep His commandments and obey His voice; you shall serve Him and hold fast to Him.â€
January 26, 1994-
He will have no choice than to be a God of Justice.
April 28, 1994 -
Remove yourself and allow my Son to be your God.
I would imagine that these statements fail that test, don’t you ?
John 4:1-2 – “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.â€
Revelation 19:10 – “And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God!â€
Numbers 24:4 – “The utterance of him who hears the words of God, who sees the vision of the Almighty, who falls down, with eyes wide open.â€
Daniel 10:8 - Therefore I was left alone when I saw this great vision, and no strength remained in me; for my vigor was turned to frailty in me, and I retained no strength.â€
Daniel 10:17 – “For how can this servant of my lord talk with you, my lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me. "
My opinion about this is:
Matthew 24:24 *
“24 For false Christs and false prophets will arise, and they will show great signs and wonders so as to deceive and lead astray, if possible, even the elect ( God’s chosen ones).”
And you might take a gander at what I wrote in the off-topic section regarding Niribu:
My reply to Something Big is going Happen
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References:
- Amplified Bible-Published by Zondervan and the Lockman Foundation-1987** New Advent.org
Emmanual
*** New Advent.org
Prayers with regard to the saints in heaven**** The Five Angels of the Continents - by Dr. Samuel Doctorian
“The Five Angels of the Continents” by Dr. Samuel Doctorian
