I don’t Know..
I’m very interested ABout he and his TRavel..
But at same time i’m so scared about he…
I’M SO CONFUSED..
Is he a really man who can travel in time?

that was before the Software upgrade …
-modification-
a few minutes later

and there where still open…

Bump to the top of the stack so that it’s close to the “Time Travel Paradoxes - Original Reposted” thread.

Greetings everyone. I’ve been away for a while so I apologize for not getting back to these questions sooner. Since Trott brought up a few things I had addressed in the mysterious mail that never made it to the board…I will post it here. The others are responses from other questions.

((First, where does your interest in the (our) U.S. Constitution stem from? Why do you think it is so vital for us to read and understand it?))

After the war, the United States had split into five separate regions based on the various factors and military objectives they each had. There was a great deal of anger directed toward the Federal government and a revival of states rights was becoming paramount. However, in their attempt to create an economic form of government, the political and military leaders at the time decided to hold one last Constitutional Congress in order to present a psychological cohesion from the old system. During this Congress, the leaders discovered and decided that coming up with a new and better form of government was nearly impossible. The original Constitution itself was not the problem it was the ignorance of the people that lived under it.

((Second, do you not like your “new” Constitution? Or feel that it is not as effective as the original?))

From my viewpoint, it’s very effective. I am a very strong believer in local or state’s rights.

((Third, you keep saying that you will be going back to your worldline soon, how soon will this be?))

There are certain windows I must wait for in order to leave. There will be two this year. The first one opens this spring.

((Is it physically possible for you to get back to THIS time line once you leave?))

Not with the machine I have now.

((If all 7 Billion of us here each had our own time machine do you think that would we would end up trashing the rest of the local worldlines?))

Since everything is already happening and possible on different worldlines, the answer is yes….and no.

((Correct me if I’m wrong here but I see you as a Libertarian who expounds on the need for humanity to get back to certain basics. Like the issues defined by the Constitution and your comments earlier on firearms tend to make me believe you are a Gun Rights activist.))

I suppose from your vantage point that’s a fair assessment. I would call myself more of a centrist. Although I understand the “gun rights” issue here, I cannot relate to it all and it is a common point of argument with my mother. I keep saying her tune will change in about ten years and she’ll be cleaning shotguns in her sleep but it doesn’t help. If it makes you feel any better, I never shot anyone who wasn’t trying to kill me.

((could you give us your thoughts on how us “less enlightened” ones here in this worldline of the here/now can solve the technical problems of time travel so that we may be able to enjoy the same first hand knowledge you have that gives you these social insights?))

When you say “us”, what do you mean? Do you mean “you”? Where would you go if you had my machine? How do you think the rest of the world would react to the U.S. having a time machine and they didn’t?

((You said that you traveled back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a ~1-2% divergence. You also mentioned that in your time frame a 0% divergence is sort of a myth, i.e technologically improbable.))

Yes, a “ZD” is thought to be impossible. However, consider that an exact entry point “may” not be necessary to get home. The important factor is the path, not the destination. Under multiple world theory, there are an infinite number of “homes” that I could return to that don’t have me there. The divergence for that window is somewhere near .0002377%.

((Someone correct me where I’m wrong here but as I understand it, these Parallel Universes or Alternative Timelines are “created” by events in our own, (timelines) or even in others.))

Parallel universes exist independently of each other and only interact to avoid the collapse of the wave function for any given particle or event that you are looking at. I like to imagine it as a series of parallel lines crossed by a wavy wave. Each point on the wavy line where a straight line crosses it represents an alternate outcome. The multiple “yous” on each worldline record a different result for the activity of the particle.

((Actually, in science, “Multiverse” theory is something that has NEVER been proven. For lack of evidence. It crops up from time to time as a way to explain certain SEEMING paradoxes like the EPR double slit experiment with polarized light. But then, just because it can be used to explain something doesn’t mean it is so.))

I agree with you that an explanation doesn’t make it so. However you can build a model to describe physical behavior. Even if the model is not complete, its “truth” can be measured by how well it predicts the behavior it describes.

((So help me here. Where did multiverse come from as a theory? Where is the observable evidence of it’s existence and the experiments to back it up that can be duplicated with certainty and repitition?))

I believe the closest non-related evidence for multiple universes right now comes from the physics (derived from special relativity) of rotating (Kerr) black holes. If you examine a typical Penrose map, science agrees that you can travel to “other universes” through these cosmic oddities. They can’t be different places in your own universe (worldline) because you would have to violate the speed of light limit to get there.

Since the existence of multiple universes is a reality from my viewpoint, please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously, it would mean there are multiple universes out there where “you” are living a day behind and a day ahead of the “you” on this universe.

There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the “yous” in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, than physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain. Could it be that fantasy or “what if” scenarios are actually future memory from an alternate “us” on a future worldline?

According to physics, there is no reason why this cannot be true although I probably fall a little closer to DiViper’s feelings about this as he does on multiple universes.

I now see it plainly states the topics are limited to 11 pages. I guess this only proves I’m not the brightest singularity in multidimensional spacetime.

((Yes, a “ZD” is thought to be impossible. However, consider that an exact entry point “may” not be necessary to get home. The important factor is the path, not the destination. Under multiple world theory, there are an infinite number of “homes” that I could return to that don’t have me there. The divergence for that window is somewhere near .0002377%. ))

Well, that being said, you have clearly stated you will never return to the EXACT universe you departed from. In otherwords, the universe which supposedly required your assistance to bring them a 5100 IBM computer from the past. That society will never receive the computer, your true parents will never see you again, etc… So, it would seem to me that your “mission” to go back in time to help your society in the future seems rather illogical, because in fact you can not help them without the ability to make, what you termed a “ZD”, a zero divergence trip. It just seems pointless to me to return to an alternate timeline when your mission was desired or required on your own timeline.

((So, it would seem to me that your “mission” to go back in time to help your society in the future seems rather illogical, because in fact you can not help them without the ability to make, what you termed a “ZD”, a zero divergence trip.))

The reality of infinite possibilities is rather difficult to get a grip on and if it were not for the math, I would delegate it to the realm of religion. I like to think of it as standing in a room with mirrors on all the walls. I can look to my right and left and see many “mes” all doing exactly the same thing. If we all took a step to our right and passed through a dimensional doorway to the next mirrored room, it would be very difficult to tell if anything had changed. In that sense, there are an infinite number of worldlines waiting for me to return with the computer. If I can get to one of them, I have completed my mission.

((Similarly, a TT_0 (“not ours”) will return from a worldline similar to our own to “our TT_0’s” worldline and be such a perfect doppleganger that the “originating” worldline recieves the IBM, and his Mom never knows the difference.))

Bingo!! Seems like something they would do a lot of psychological testing for before they sent us off.

((where does it say it is limited to 11 pages though…I don’t see it.??..wait a minute…you are not looking at the third open folder at the top of the page are you?

…YOU posted that! hehehe))

I was just trying to be clever. However, I am still unable to see any postings past 412. Can everyone else see them?

Dear TT0,

That is interesting what you said about parallel universes having a time delay. Infact just a couple of days ago I came up with a very similar conclusion.

I believe that all mass quantities have both a linear fourth dimensional past and a transverse fourth dimensional past. The parallel masses are masses existant in the parallel time frames.

I believe that an instant of time in the parallel universe a ‘transverse’ instant that is in phase with any given instant in this universe is exactly or approxametly one instant in the past with respect to the instant in this universe and would appear (and I could be wrong about this assumption) to exist within the same given space as negative one instant in this world line one ‘linear’ instant in the past.

However if we were viewing the travsverse instant from the position of the linear instant–that is–if we were to view the parallel instant from one instant back in time, then the transverse instant would not appear to coexist in the same space as our the instant that we occupy but, instead,

would apear to propagate perpindicalar-or-would be perpindicular to our position. This is all hypthetical not theoretical.

I leave you with this graghical model for review. if one were to trace all linear instants along their past world lines to the bigbang, and if one were to trace all transverse time instants back to the big bang, and then gragh these events, one would discover that all transverse time instants are ninety degrees out of phase with the linear time instants.

I believe that one would also discover that these time instants travel outward in the form of temperal waves and that the bandwidth of these of both the transverse time instants and linear parallel time instant’s bandwidth streches as time accelerates into the future as though time were exploding into an expance.

I believe that the rate at which transverse and linears instant’s bandwidth increases simultaneous and equal so that the phase differencial between all linear instants and thier parallel counterparts the transverse instants has always been constant from the big bang till now. At the big bang all linear instants and all transverse instants merge.

Think or write the following graph to replicate the mathematical logic behind this phenomenon. Get a pieve of paper and draw a right triangle. Make it so that the horizontal line points to 3 O’clock and the vertical line points to 12 O’clock. Now take the ruler or what ever straight object you used to draw the triangle and draw a diagonal line from the intersection of the vertical line and horizontal line to 2 O’clock. Now I want you to measure the length of the vertical line and then divide the length into quarters and place a small mark on the vertical lines at each of the quarters. Now I want you to draw four parallel lines through the four marks on the vertical line, such that there is one line through each one of the four marks on the vertical line of our triangle. Make sure that the four lines are horizontal with respect to the line that marks the base of our right triangle. Now I want you to goe back and make sure that the diagonal line that you drew is long enough to intersect each of the four parallel lines you drew. Now the parallel lines on the graph are time instants 1-4. The vertical and horizontal line is a the measure of a mass in three dimensional space. Now you will notice that each of the four vertical lines instants 1-4 intersect the diagonal line at the 1/3 mark so that each parallel time line 1-4 is always divided at the 2/3rds mark.

Yet if one looks closely enough one will notice that the vertical line of our triangle, the diagonal that we drew, and the base of our triangle all intersect at a point.

Thus 2/3rds and 1/3rd are equal quantities at an infinitely small point. If the parallel time instants follows after this mathematical topology then the transverse instants and thier parallel counterparts all exist out of phase thoughout history accept at the exact instant of the big bang.

Thus if one can triangulate the temperal location of the big bang while in time warp the ship could travel through temperal space to into the big bang and use the big bang to as sort of an infinite amplifier to solidify the and or isolate the location of ones exact world line and thus travel through time with zero divergance.

Does any of this sound correct TT0?

Inquisitively,

Edwin G. Schasteen ..my e-mail address is [email redacted] or if you wish for a secure line [email redacted]. Feel free to e-mail me directly. But I will understand if you can not.

TT_0,

So tell us, what was the real reason you were away from this board for so long? Was it to fine tune your responses to the questions that were being asked while away? They seem pretty well thought out, you sure you didn’t have help? Your character speaks more like a writer, then a Time Traveler.

I still don’t buy your story though, just the whole way you’ve come forward with it, just doesn’t feel right to me. And you never showed us a picture of your machine or your uniform. Let’s see your credentials, something we can bring out in the open. That way, you can free everyone from doubt, and everyone will believe your story.

Seems only fair, and you’d have everyone’s unconditional attention. Which is, what I’m sure it’s what you want. You said it your self, you want to be interesting…

And since where bringing up things said in the past, why haven’t you commented on what you said about not caring about your worldline? I know someone made the mistake of answering for you, but I don’t think that will happen again.

So come on, share with us?

Truly,

Javier C.

I missed you to TTA.

((And you never showed us a picture of your machine or your uniform.))

Actually, there are numerous places I have posted pictures. I believe the links are still on the board.

((why haven’t you commented on what you said about not caring about your worldline? I know someone made the mistake of answering for you, but I don’t think that will happen again.))

I’m not sure what you’re asking. I think those statements speak for themselves and your interpretation of them may be… unique.

One of the reasons I like this board so much is that the questions are more thought out, the people seem to be a bit smarter than normal and I’m not continually bombarded with questions about stock tips. I will admit that on a conceptual level, you are picking it up much faster than I did.

(If you leave your worldline, some of your friends and family members will never see you again on that worldline. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that would be a very immoral thing to do.)

I’m not sure why you think it would be immoral. Don’t soldiers today go on duties they may not return from?

It depends on how you define what the real “me” is. If you consider the mirror example again, as all of the “mes” step one room to the right, the family and friends in that room (and the time traveler for that matter) would not be able to tell the difference. The probability of us noticing a difference is based on the divergence of the trip. If all events and outcomes are certain, there are worldlines where I do return for every worldline I don’t return to. All the “moral” events would then balance out to zero. Again, it’s hard to judge good and bad outcomes…only good and bad decisions.

((Besides what’s the point of fixing the Unix problem if there’s an infinite number of worldlines where this problem doesn’t even exist or has been fixed. After all your own worldline doesn’t get the IBM 5100 anyway, so the people that sent you on this mission are still having that problem.))

Our actions and decisions are based on the knowledge we have in our own worldline. Yes, the bell shaped curve is a useful tool but if we are capable of change for the better than we feel we should at least try.

Even if “I” don’t return to my exact worldline, a similar “me” probably will. Besides, I just look at it as helping a worldline where their time traveling me didn’t show up but I did.

((Also, you stated that “to the people on your worldline you’d only be gone for a split second”. This can’t be true, because to them you’ll go away and never return.))

Again, I refer to the mirror example.

((Oh, I seem to have missed another statement by Trott saying that another “Timetravel_0” will return to the worldline, but that sounds virtually impossible!))

I’m not sure I said another time traveler “will” return, I think I said they “could” return. The location/gravity “map” I have of my path getting here could be duplicated with a fairly high degree of accuracy. It’s just that my machine was not designed to do that.

I think it’s a mistake to rely on the concept of the impossible when dealing with the reality of multiple worlds. Keep in mind there are an infinite number of “yous” on infinite worldlines having completely different experiences with “me”.

((Timetravel_0 stated clearly that returning to your own worldline is thought to be impossible.))

…my “exact” ZD worldline that is.

TTO:

Yeah I’d CERTAINLY agree with you that there is no evidence to support the idea that multiple universes CANNOT be so, just as there is evidence that they COULD be so, but as yet are unproved.

The problem they present for me is purly logical, not based on anything I can prove either way.

Just as Time02112 has stated (if I interpret correctly,) my reference to free will is irrespective of whether I accept it or not. Point taken. But, I’m still left with having to ask “why”?

Physics to me is perfectly logical in all things we know and understand so far. Multiverse Theory violates this logic in MY mind. It’s an “Occam’s Razor” thing.

But hey… If Multiple Universes exist, so be it. As yet, I don’t see it and need more evidence before I can buy into it whole heartedly.

The “memory” idea is interesting tho.

By the way…

To ALL…

I started another thread on the topic before I noticed this one was rolling. Sorry. Maybe the moderator can delete it or throw my post I made on it into this one.

rgrunt, borgus and Time02112 please catch the post I made there and then we can pick it up here if you all prefer.

Thanx.

TTA, there must be… at least one thing you like about me.

TimeTravel_0…

Probably because of the confusion of the board, you have not yet commented to my post directed toward you. I’m very interested in your further comments on the greed of humanity during this time, and perhaps still in your time.

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You’re unique perspective of humanity at this point (2001 and 2036) is valuable. Please share as much thoughts as you can.

Also, can you record a quick voice message for us before you leave?

Also, here is my question from a previous post…

((having lived through the self destruction of the human race, what sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will humans colonolize and expand through the solar system? Or will we be forever bound to our inward existance, measuring the past, fearfull of the future.))

TTA:

What I like about TT_0 is his adherence to “character”. Meaning that this is first and foremost a board devoted to Time Travel which at this point in our human history is pure fiction.

Even the moderators and creators of this board are careful to point that out right on the home page at the bottom. Lest we forget.

So… having said that, I must admit TT_0 has woven a personna that is rather well crafted in my opinion. In other words, I take him as he prefers to be referenced to. It’s a “camp” thing. A Tongue-in-cheek kinda process.

I find his philosphical dissertations to be interesting, and for the most part, reflective of an idealism that indicate what shape he would LIKE to see the world BE in in 40 years. With a dose of caution thrown in for what he sees as possible threats to further enlightenment, and the erosion of personal freedoms that are occuring around us on an almost daily basis. Actually quite creative on his part if we take it all with the grain of salt that is apropos to the situation.

In the end, if Time Travel is to be solved, is it not goung to take creative thought to do it?

We’ve beaten the old concepts to death on this board for a few years now.

I merely suggest that ANY approach to the problem that deviates from these old concepts is a creative and therefore productive one.

If TT_0 wants to assume the role of futirist-as-time-traveller, I say OK. But then I’m a pragmatic sort of guy who is into the sceptism of “show me the money” mentality.

Is it possible to show how some of his mechanics cannot possibly be true? Of Course.

But is it possible to show how his philosophical approach is flawed? Well, that becomes another problem entirely. Not one so easy to dismiss.

Peace.

((Are the Olympics still being played in your time?))

As a result of the many conflicts, no, there were no official Olympics after 2004. However, it appears they may be revived in in 2040.

((would it not be possible to use that recording to back track to your original starting point without any divergence at all? It seems that all it would take it is a couple lines of programming in the computer-controlled system))

Perhaps it’s better to say it’s so highly improbable as to be considered impossible. A good example is the concept of trying to get closer to something by cutting the distance in half for every step you take. Since the computer is basically making calculations from an imperfect model of reality, there are no absolutes. I also believe there is a theory that states you would have to violate the speed of light limit to have a perfect ZD.

((Have you ever read the book Six Nightmares by Anthony Lake? Why only two windows of opportunity for you to start your time machine? Would this have something to do with the weather?))

I haven’t read that book but I will try to find it if you recommend it. The weather isn’t a factor as much as gravitational tidal forces are at the point of arrival.

((You mentioned that the same goes for soldiers in our worldline. Yes, true. But do you not disaprove of war, just like me? I think it’s immoral so I stand with my previous statement.))

I disapprove of murder. Man as a species is incapable of changing his nature through will alone and war is a tool of biology. The ability for war sleeps in each one of us and we must decide what we will do before the beast awakens. As for morality, again I point to the “universal” balance of good and evil. For every worldline where there is peace, there is a worldline that has destroyed itself.

((what’s the use of bringing back an IBM 5100 to a slightly different worldline, knowing that there are just as many or even more worldlines in which no-one returns to bring back the IBM 5100. It sounds a bit like charity in favour of other worldlines.))

The decisions and actions we take as individuals can only help those who we have direct interaction with. I believe it is wrong to be capable of helping and do nothing. My struggle is in the irony that if everyone just “did nothing”, on every worldline, there would be no action and thus no immorality or evil (no good either).

((I’m very interested in your further comments on the greed of humanity during this time, and perhaps still in your time. You’re unique perspective of humanity at this point (2001 and 2036) is valuable. Please share as much thoughts as you can.))

Please feel free to ask anything you like.

((Also, can you record a quick voice message for us before you leave?))

Yes. I am considering trying to videotape my departure and having my parents post it after I leave. That should keep you all busy for a while.

((having lived through the self destruction of the human race, what sort of future do you imagine after 2036? Will humans colonolize and expand through the solar system? Or will we be forever bound to our inward existance, measuring the past, fearfull of the future.))

Keep in mind that not all humans were destroyed but we were all affected. There is a effort going into colonizing space because it is believed that the problems of overpopulation were a large cause of the war. Personally, my generation sees itself as having a duty to try and repair the mess our fathers handed to us. When we were young, most of us had a small taste of the world you live in now and our only dream is to clean it up and give it back to those still able to have children.

TimeTravel_0…

Aside from the video, can you record a voice message toward us here in the messageboard?

http://ntesla.org

[Mr. Wagner’s website]

[This message has been edited by Time02112 (edited 29 January 2001).]