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Dear Deviper,

Yes According to modern theory as far as I know that it would take an infinite amount of energy to pry apart a hadron. Of course the way that this is stated is that it is impossible to pry apart hadrons.

This is speculative in that the scientists assume that no infinite amount of energy could be generated. However I beg to differ. The way my device will work is a fluke of the machanical setup.

By torqueing the field one compressed the field at a perpendicular angle and stretches the field at the parallel angle. By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel.

This creates a shearing force that reaches a critcal stage at the point that the field is constriced to bear the topology of an hourglass at 180 degrees of torque. Torqueing beyond this will pry a gap in the field because greater then infinite(or the upper limit) energy is applied in a given instant at a given point allotting the necesary work ( in watts I think) to pry apart the hadrons thus causing the splitting of hadrons or better yet fission of energy releasing ungodly amounts of energy.

Think of it like this when one splits a mass at the molecular level a small explosion accurs. When one splitts a mass at the nuclear level a very large explossion accurs. When one splitts mass at the energy level an even larger amount of energy will be released.

Edwin G. Schasteen

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rgrunt:

I DO follow you here, and I like the fact that you are willing to challenge the conventional wisdom of Quantum Theory.

(To me, challenging “Conventional Wisdom” on ANYTHING is the path to discovery.)

Now I’m left with another question tho.

When you say:

“By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel.”

…I have to ask,

Isn’t this trying to apply conventional (macrocosmic) physics to the microcosmic world? Haven’t we seen that such applications are not to be relied upon when dealing with Quanta?

I would not suggest that what YOU suggest can’t be done, merely that the very ability to apply such principles at such a level does itself break down due to the inability to even measure the accuracy of microcosmic events with macrocosmic technology. Is this not the very foundation of why the Heisenberg Principle renders such applications even unmeasurable, let alone do-able?

It seems to me that the laws of physics as we know them to be at the macrocosmic level only ever will allow us to construct devices that can only ever react with the macrocosmic world.

The microcosmic world requires methods that are not necessarily applicable on the larger scale, and vice versa.

In short, I’m not sure the principles of “perpendicular” and “parallel” have any real meaning at the quantum level.

Thoughts?

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Just a few words to you TT_0 if we don’t hear from you again. I just want you to know this; you will not escape the truth that underneath all your numerous cleverly thought out, well crafted explaining of bailing your self out of stating to be a Time Traveler from the year 2036 (is that right?), that you are indeed a man with a hidden agenda. I can sense it, maybe others can too, but I’m hardly ever wrong about this. That’s just the way I feel you come off as.

So what could your hidden agenda be? Well I don’t sense you’re that inclined to want to fight our world problems. It seems all you like to do is hear your self-talk. And the more you do, it sounds more like your claims are more of a self proclamation you have, once done you can then acknowledge to your self that you managed to con a whole bunch of people to believe and follow you.

But you forgot to take in to consideration 1 thing when you came to this board. The human factor. That a few (close to maybe 2 or 3 people) in this message board would see beyond your well rehearsed (well written in speech and grammar) works of scientific explanation, and shut you up with plain basic truths of Right and Wrong.

Nevertheless, I hypothesize your out of material, and can no longer support your claims. Which is why you haven’t posted in over 2 weeks. The questions have been asked, and you answered most of them accurately (since they were all mostly questions about science).

So it is my conclusion that you are now probably home contemplating of what you learned from a race of humans your generation looks down on hehe. Or you can probably end up posting soon after everyone began calling up for your attention again.

What a coincidence that would be wouldn’t it? That your busy schedule suddenly opened up.

Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?

-Javier C.

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TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..

now i believe TT_0’s time machine is a fraud.

when the real questions popup he is as silent as a man with no tougue.

FastWalker2

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He has nothing to prove to us because he is a writer who is looking for some interaction to help him construct the characters in his story. I woudln’t be surprised to see a similar book or movie about this soon.

I tested him by first saying i was a writer of science fiction. Notice how he chose to ignore my comments and questions. I asked him again to tell us more about his observations of society… which he blatantly avoided by saying “ask me questions”.

Since he has such a deep-seeded hate and despair for this time period (we caused the war he grew up with) it would seem that he would be more outspoken about it (which he was before). Now he is running out of new things to say, hoping that we will spark something new to finish off his novel.

Explain these points:

-he suddenly does not want to talk about society.

-he had time to learn how to write perfect english while he was growing up fighting war and now running his farm just to survive.

-before the election was decided, he said that the florida votes would never be counted. They were counted. (don’t tell me that his landing in the 1970’s caused the election to change)

-his use of “Gosub” as a metaphore for something. During his time period he would never have learned BASIC and the langauge. Even if his grandfather taught him about it he would still not be so familiar with it that he would use “Gosub” in a sentence not related to programming. Much more likely he grew up during the 1970’s and is now in his mid 40’s contemplating his life.

The point remains. His details are well thought out, but he doesn’t have anything to prove to us. He won’t respond to making a sound clip for us, which shows that he’s not really interested in changing our timeline… a point which he has flipped back and forth on.

Now that we have cought on, and have not supplied interesting questions for him to explain, he is uninterested in us. A sign of selfishness, which by the way is the very trait that he blames us for.

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TT_O is now posting on the Art Bell web site Time Travel Forum under the name of John Titor. His thread is called “I Am From 2036”.

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can you provide the URL for this??

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The Art Bell web site is at: http://www.artbell.com/

The John Titor thread ia at: http://bbs.artbell.com/showthread.php?threadid=1203

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Greetings everyone! I’ve missed you all too. As I’m sure Pamela can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site. It appears I’ve come back at just the right moment.

I see you’re all asking yourselves questions about who I really am, what I want and why I’m here. Frankly, I really can’t blame you but perhaps it’s a bit easier now to understand why I not only didn’t expect you to believe me but I didn’t want you to. As far as my credibility, I thought we had reached some sort of happy medium and we could call each other friend.

I see however that may not be the case and I must admit I’m a bit disappointed. It seems that unless I follow your expectations of what a time traveler should be doing thinking or feeling than I must be a fraud. Or is it just safer to keep telling yourself that?

((im not paranoid(not too paranoid) but i think it was a terrible idea for TT0(if his story is true) to have told us anything about it.))

Where was this setiment and concern for my safety as I was telling my “story”?

((TT_0 was always saying he has nothing to prove to us..then WHY..WHY come to a TIME TRAVEL forum(and numerous others) to spout off your achievements..))

Is it really that hard to believe that plain old human interaction has it’s own merits?

((I do not say this as a detriment to his words, (since I’m already on record as considering him to be a creative and intelligent person who has a lot to say philosophically), but merely that his declarations on being a time traveler are based on quantum theories that have already been clearly proven to NOT be so.))

Which quantum theories are you talking about? Please forgive me but If I missed a question or if there was something else to go into I would have been happy to do so.

((Either way, it sure would be interesting to hear what kinds of stories you’d share with us next. I know I’m anxious to hear them. How about you?))

TTA wants to hear more from me? Now there’s a turn of events.

…and Borgus, I’m not even sure where to start. Please. Tell me how you really feel.

In retrospect, you do force me to examine whether or not talking like this was a good idea. I still think it was.

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“As I’m sure Pamela can tell you, my email system is made up of quite a few addresses, locations and computers. Some of them work better than others and for a period of time, I have been unable (in my own way) to get to this site.”

Yes, I can verify this.

I think just because he couldnot get to this site for awhile was no excuse to attack him for not answering your questions.

I have been over to Art Bells board and really don’t see any thing there that goes against what he said here. seems the same to me with some extra things.

Being skeptical is one thing… blaming and accusing is another.

I wouldnt blame him if he didnt want to post here anymore.

Borgus-you say he is uninterested in us. but he did supply a bunch of questions to us that only THREE people out of this whole board even answered! he wanted to know very much how you felt about these things but none of you answered him. yet.. you expected him to continue to answer YOUR questions.

thats not give and take..thats just all take.

and THAT my friend, is selfish.

I don’t know if he is really a Time traveler or not. I have seen more and know more than all of you about this. which makes my decision harder.

I have considered all things… I am skeptical but I am also keeping all things in mind.Alot of good points were brought up on both sides.

I have decided skeptism is healthy for everyone.

I do know one thing though…he is a human being. And everyone deserves to be treated with respect as a human being. timetraveler or not.

By the way, I will be gone for about a week and will have no computer access where I am going. I just wanted to mention that so if anybody asks me a question and I don’t answer… you will know why and I won’t be unneccesarily attacked by anyone.

-pamela

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2 things TT_0.

  1. I was right about you coming back just in time. How convenient.

  2. You can’t spot when someone makes a sarcastic comment.

You truly do intend to move things to your side of things don’t you? Just look at the way you speak.

Hey I saw “Left Behind” the movie. You seem to be pulling the same trick the Anti-Christ pulled at the end.

I won’t tell the ending, but it’s a great movie, you should all watch it.

By the way TT_0, you know what a “Machiavilli” is and does?

Here’s a hint, just what your doing.

-Javier C.

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Thanks Pamela

I see that some of us can’t take criticism as well as others

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Dear Deviper,

Yes According to modern theory as far as I know that it would take an infinite amount of energy to pry apart a hadron. Of course the way that this is stated is that it is impossible to pry apart hadrons.

This is speculative in that the scientists assume that no infinite amount of energy could be generated. However I beg to differ. The way my device will work is a fluke of the machanical setup.

By torqueing the field one compressed the field at a perpendicular angle and stretches the field at the parallel angle. By stretching the field in a vertical direction while simultaneously compressing the field in a horizontal angle the kenetic forces applied allow for the compression to be countered by the stretching such that the distribution of the field that propogates parallel is redistributed to propagate perpindicular while simultaneously the portion of the magnetic field that propagates perpendicular is redistributed to propagate parallel.

This creates a shearing force that reaches a critcal stage at the point that the field is constriced to bear the topology of an hourglass at 180 degrees of torque. Torqueing beyond this will pry a gap in the field because greater then infinite(or the upper limit) energy is applied in a given instant at a given point allotting the necesary work ( in watts I think) to pry apart the hadrons thus causing the splitting of hadrons or better yet fission of energy releasing ungodly amounts of energy.

Think of it like this when one splits a mass at the molecular level a small explosion accurs. When one splitts a mass at the nuclear level a very large explossion accurs. When one splitts mass at the energy level an even larger amount of energy will be released.

Edwin G. Schasteen

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rgrunt:

Ahhh.

It appears you are coming around to the classic “Double Slit” experiment. (Please correct me if I am wrong.)

In the original, the patterns produced on a projection surface originating from a single light source and subsequently passed through two verticle slits produces an interference pattern on that same projection surface that was not easy to explain to the first observers if this phenomena.

It became even more seemingly paradoxical when polarized lenses were applied in 90 degree out of phase configuration much in the same manner we use the same configuration to resolve 3-D images on the motion picture screen. (But of course 3-D film is constructed this way in the first place so we can use this method to resolve it. (Eqrly-mid 20th century Technology, circa 1939 or so.)

Again, please correct me if I’m wrong.

So…

If what you say could poissibly work out, I’d say you’re on the path to solving the infamous EPR Paradox.

Am I reading you correctly here?

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TT_0,

I must say, you have an uncanny effect on some of the people on this board. For instances one individual who backs you up, who’s at your disposal when you call upon her. Mighty impressive.

I’ve been reading over some of this threds past posts. And combined them with the pattern you use to speak in past posts. And what appears to be some sort of helpless character you have, that it reflects in your writings that people can’t help but believe you.

By that I mean, you always being well mannered. Acknowledging your flaws and mistakes. Turning up the charm. Sorta like the thing a double O 7 would do. But it’s all well covert, and I can tell you drilled these exercises to perfection.

I have been one of the only ones in this board who you’ve backed off on answering questions and comments. And you have tired to use the sympathy routine to butter your self up with me before. Didn’t work. And you thought others loved you when you left.

All this that you do, your character, your claims, the way you discus it with us. It’s suspect.

You do not sound genuine. Your personality is not perfect, if that was the goal you wanted to portray to people of this forum.

Though you wish to perfect it, by saying sorry and sugar coating your humanity. I am aware enough to see right through you. And soon, others will be too.

-Javier C.

P.S. I have a prediction in how you might answer this post.

I know, something about insulting the way I write, and the way I use the English language. Well before you do, here’s my answer to you. I’m Spanish.

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TTA…I just want to make sure of one thing, you don’t like me very much do you?

I promise to try and be more insulting.

Actually, it’s sort of a good feeling knowing you’re out there keeping me honest.

Thanks.

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Guys,

I haven’t been following your previous exchanges too closely, but it seems that you two don’t get on. Whether it has been in an argument over a theory or someone has insulted someone, we have had these incidents before and we won’t stand for them. If you can’t all play nicely, someone’s gonna get themselvea banned. There is no reason to dislike a person on this board. Our aim is to grow a community that is a family of friends. If we start trying to win little insult and vengence battles in posts we will become nothing short of an immature faliure.

Feel free to argue with ideas, but please, keep personal feelings to yourself (hostile ones anyway). If you really want to slag someone off or have a personal argument, EMAIL them. Don’t waste other people’s and my time by using the board.

It’s obvious we were going to get people posting on the board claiming to be “time travellers” or claiming to have esoteric knowledge and not being prepared to tell anyone else.

It’s nice to think a pioneer of time travel would grace our board, and who knows - maybe he/she has.

But one thing for sure. The typicality of coming on here and saying: “I’m a time traveller”, “I know something you don’t know” bla bla bla - is the thing a genuine time traveller would do.

In my opinion, time trave would be used for tactical and extremely classified research, possibly in lots of different forms, and revealing oneself would probably cause destruction of the research aims.

Anyway, as to TTA/Enforcer and TT_0, you two obviously have some civil dispute - please keep it away from the board. I don’t exactly see why you are arguing with TT_0, he doesn’t seem to be being aggressive?

-Admin

P.S. Time Enforcer and TTA you’re the same person (Javier?)???

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TimeTravel_0

Please take some time and answer these new questions.

1.) What weapons did you use to protect yourself throughout your life? Do you have a weapon with you now, just in case?

2.) What is your favourite food? (whether you had access to it or not)

3.) Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? was the President in 2009 on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about these Presidents?

4.) While you were in the 1970’s what did you think of Nixon as President?

5.) Do you plan to do any more time traveling when you return to 2036?

6.) Do you have any doubts about this time travel experience and the computer mission that you are on?

7.) What have you leared the most from the people of this board?

8.) Where did you learn the use of “Gosub” and which computer language?

9.) Where did you learn to write perfect English? How much time did it take?

10.) Was China your enemy?

11.) Do they have Pac Man or Donkey Kong in 2036?

12.) Does China have a manned space program between 2001 and 2036?

13.) Do you have any problems with the number thirteen?

14.) If the worldlines are changed by everyone’s choices, this means we are all manevering through timelines as we make these choices. Since everyone is making different choices, why do we still meet people that coincide with our previous worldline?

15.) In your opinion, would timelines be better represented as an inflated ballon, or a layered Rubix cube with interchanging and overlapping interactions?

16.) Does your group have a television in 2036?

17.) Does your group have a flashlight in 2036? If so, what type of batteries does it use?

18.) How is electricity generated in 2036?

19.) Does the sun look any different in 2036 than it does now?

20.) What sort of clothing do you wear in 2036? Is there strong attention payed to what people wear in the group?

21.) Where were you born?

I’m sorry that the list is so long, but I hope that you will enjoy answering them, and we will all learn from them.

TimeTravel_0 if you have any more questions you would like to know about us, please post them.

Thanks.

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Dear Deviper,

I have heard of the EPR paradox before. But I am not sure if my memory serves. Is the EPR paradox the paradox that seems to insist that particles are both waves and particals? Does the EPR paradox suggest partical wave duality. If the EPR paradox is partical wave duality then yes I believe that I may be on the track to solving this phenomenon or on the track to making a big scientific error. Either case will provide knowlege for future theorists to guide them unto more accurate truth. So if I am right then great but if not then perhaps someone else can take my knowlege and correct it and discover the truth. I believe that I will be able to provide alot more accurate knowlege through experimentation and measurement. Perhaps this will be done by physisists using my device or by myself in a lab of myown should I be lucky enough to abtain this. I believe that the conscept will help describe the partical both as a wave and as a partical in that it describes the mathematical relation of the partical in terms of space and energy density. An electron of low energy would appear to look like a clowd as a result of the energy occupying a greater density of space (which appears to have more volume) and an electron of high energy interactions would appear to be pointlike as a result of the energy occupying a lower density of space( which appears to have less volume).

Does this sound like a possible solution to the EPR paradox?

Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen

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TT_0,

I just have 1 word to describe your last post to me. Arrogant.

Mr. Moderator,

A person doesn’t have to be aggressive to be a @&^$#%. As you can tell, he’s been using his superior intellect, to manipulate and control his agenda here. Or am I the only one who can see that?

Oh and just one more thing TT_0. I don’t like arrogant people, phony people, people that exploit others. Do you fall under those requirements? Of course you do. You’re an opportunist, and it’s sickening to me.

So to directly answer your question, NO! I don’t like you.

Do you not wish to acknowledge what you have accomplished here? The people you have ready to back you up and to defend you? You have power, status. And you know it.

But then again, when the Anti-Christ comes into power, he won’t acknowledge his power and control of things just yet. He has an agenda, just like you do TT_0.

Left behind was a really good movie. Anybody here seen it?

By the way, what’s your religion TT_0?

-Javier C.

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