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3x3x3 and the holographic Universe

1stBorn

Timekeeper
I have read through many of the post on this site and have thought long and hard about several theories posted. However, I have to say, to me, rainmantime's explaination of the 3x3x3 universe is rather convinsing. At least, it seems very possible. I recently ran across an article about "The Holographic Universe" where by it mentioned a studt done that had shown the subatomic particles are all dieclty relate and aware of one another regardless of the distance between them. This got me to thinking about the 3 subdemensions of time and how they are all related and aware of each other. I don't know if I believe the whole holoraphic universe theory but it did get me thinking that in relation to the 3x3x3 theory, it almost makes perfect sense. Anyway, bellow is the article to which I speak of. Have a look and please share your thoughts, particularly rainmantime, I'm curious to hear what you think. It's rather long but worth a read.

Regards,
1stBorn

The Holographic Universe
The Universe as a Hologram
Michael Talbot
In 1982 a remarkable event took place. At the University of Paris a research team led by physicist Alain Aspect performed what may turn out to be one of the most important experiments of the 20th century. You did not hear about it on the evening news. In fact, unless you are in the habit of reading scientific journals you probably have never even heard Aspect's name, though there are some who believe his discovery may change the face of science.
Aspect and his team discovered that under certain circumstances subatomic particles such as electrons are able to instantaneously communicate with each other regardless of the distance separating them. It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.
Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light. Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier, this daunting prospect has caused some physicists to try to come up with elaborate ways to explain away Aspect's findings. But it has inspired others to offer even more radical explanations.
University of London physicist David Bohm, for example, believes Aspect's findings imply that objective reality does not exist, that despite its apparent solidity the universe is at heart a phantasm, a gigantic and splendidly detailed hologram.
To understand why Bohm makes this startling assertion, one must first understand a little about holograms. A hologram is a three- dimensional photograph made with the aid of a laser.
To make a hologram, the object to be photographed is first bathed in the light of a laser beam. Then a second laser beam is bounced off the reflected light of the first and the resulting interference pattern (the area where the two laser beams commingle) is captured on film.
When the film is developed, it looks like a meaningless swirl of light and dark lines. But as soon as the developed film is illuminated by another laser beam, a three-dimensional image of the original object appears.
The three-dimensionality of such images is not the only remarkable characteristic of holograms. If a hologram of a rose is cut in half and then illuminated by a laser, each half will still be found to contain the entire image of the rose.
Indeed, even if the halves are divided again, each snippet of film will always be found to contain a smaller but intact version of the original image. Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole.
The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order. For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts.
A hologram teaches us that some things in the universe may not lend themselves to this approach. If we try to take apart something constructed holographically, we will not get the pieces of which it is made, we will only get smaller wholes.
This insight suggested to Bohm another way of understanding Aspect's discovery. Bohm believes the reason subatomic particles are able to remain in contact with one another regardless of the distance separating them is not because they are sending some sort of mysterious signal back and forth, but because their separateness is an illusion. He argues that at some deeper level of reality such particles are not individual entities, but are actually extensions of the same fundamental something.
To enable people to better visualize what he means, Bohm offers the following illustration.
Imagine an aquarium containing a fish. Imagine also that you are unable to see the aquarium directly and your knowledge about it and what it contains comes from two television cameras, one directed at the aquarium's front and the other directed at its side.
As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them.
When one turns, the other also makes a slightly different but corresponding turn; when one faces the front, the other always faces toward the side. If you remain unaware of the full scope of the situation, you might even conclude that the fish must be instantaneously communicating with one another, but this is clearly not the case.
This, says Bohm, is precisely what is going on between the subatomic particles in Aspect's experiment.
According to Bohm, the apparent faster-than-light connection between subatomic particles is really telling us that there is a deeper level of reality we are not privy to, a more complex dimension beyond our own that is analogous to the aquarium. And, he adds, we view objects such as subatomic particles as separate from one another because we are seeing only a portion of their reality.
Such particles are not separate "parts", but facets of a deeper and more underlying unity that is ultimately as holographic and indivisible as the previously mentioned rose. And since everything in physical reality is comprised of these "eidolons", the universe is itself a projection, a hologram.
In addition to its phantomlike nature, such a universe would possess other rather startling features. If the apparent separateness of subatomic particles is illusory, it means that at a deeper level of reality all things in the universe are infinitely interconnected.
The electrons in a carbon atom in the human brain are connected to the subatomic particles that comprise every salmon that swims, every heart that beats, and every star that shimmers in the sky.
Everything interpenetrates everything, and although human nature may seek to categorize and pigeonhole and subdivide, the various phenomena of the universe, all apportionments are of necessity artificial and all of nature is ultimately a seamless web.
In a holographic universe, even time and space could no longer be viewed as fundamentals. Because concepts such as location break down in a universe in which nothing is truly separate from anything else, time and three-dimensional space, like the images of the fish on the TV monitors, would also have to be viewed as projections of this deeper order.
At its deeper level reality is a sort of superhologram in which the past, present, and future all exist simultaneously. This suggests that given the proper tools it might even be possible to someday reach into the superholographic level of reality and pluck out scenes from the long-forgotten past.
What else the superhologram contains is an open-ended question. Allowing, for the sake of argument, that the superhologram is the matrix that has given birth to everything in our universe, at the very least it contains every subatomic particle that has been or will be -- every configuration of matter and energy that is possible, from snowflakes to quasars, from bluü whales to gamma rays. It must be seen as a sort of cosmic storehouse of "All That Is."
Although Bohm concedes that we have no way of knowing what else might lie hidden in the superhologram, he does venture to say that we have no reason to assume it does not contain more. Or as he puts it, perhaps the superholographic level of reality is a "mere stage" beyond which lies "an infinity of further development".
Bohm is not the only researcher who has found evidence that the universe is a hologram. Working independently in the field of brain research, Standford neurophysiologist Karl Pribram has also become persuaded of the holographic nature of reality.
Pribram was drawn to the holographic model by the puzzle of how and where memories are stored in the brain. For decades numerous studies have shown that rather than being confined to a specific location, memories are dispersed throughout the brain.
In a series of landmark experiments in the 1920s, brain scientist Karl Lashley found that no matter what portion of a rat's brain he removed he was unable to eradicate its memory of how to perform complex tasks it had learned prior to surgery. The only problem was that no one was able to come up with a mechanism that might explain this curious "whole in every part" nature of memory storage.
Then in the 1960s Pribram encountered the concept of holography and realized he had found the explanation brain scientists had been looking for. Pribram believes memories are encoded not in neurons, or small groupings of neurons, but in patterns of nerve impulses that crisscross the entire brain in the same way that patterns of laser light interference crisscross the entire area of a piece of film containing a holographic image. In other words, Pribram believes the brain is itself a hologram.
Pribram's theory also explains how the human brain can store so many memories in so little space. It has been estimated that the human brain has the capacity to memorize something on the order of 10 billion bits of information during the average human lifetime (or roughly the same amount of information contained in five sets of the Encyclopaedia Britannica).
Similarly, it has been discovered that in addition to their other capabilities, holograms possess an astounding capacity for information storage--simply by changing the angle at which the two lasers strike a piece of photographic film, it is possible to record many different images on the same surface. It has been demonstrated that one cubic centimeter of film can hold as many as 10 billion bits of information.
Our uncanny ability to quickly retrieve whatever information we need from the enormous store of our memories becomes more understandable if the brain functions according to holographic principles. If a friend asks you to tell him what comes to mind when he says the word "zebra", you do not have to clumsily sort back through ome gigantic and cerebral alphabetic file to arrive at an answer. Instead, associations like "striped", "horselike", and "animal native to Africa" all pop into your head instantly.
Indeed, one of the most amazing things about the human thinking process is that every piece of information seems instantly cross- correlated with every other piece of information--another feature intrinsic to the hologram. Because every portion of a hologram is infinitely interconnected with ever other portion, it is perhaps nature's supreme example of a cross-correlated system.
The storage of memory is not the only neurophysiological puzzle that becomes more tractable in light of Pribram's holographic model of the brain. Another is how the brain is able to translate the avalanche of frequencies it receives via the senses (light frequencies, sound frequencies, and so on) into the concrete world of our perceptions. Encoding and decoding frequencies is precisely what a hologram does best. Just as a hologram functions as a sort of lens, a translating device able to convert an apparently meaningless blur of frequencies into a coherent image, Pribram believes the brain also comprises a lens and uses holographic principles to mathematically convert the frequencies it receives through he senses into the inner world of our perceptions.
An impressive body of evidence suggests that the brain uses holographic principles to perform its operations. Pribram's theory, in fact, has gained increasing support among neurophysiologists.
Argentinian-Italian researcher Hugo Zucarelli recently extended the holographic model into the world of acoustic phenomena. Puzzled by the fact that humans can locate the source of sounds without moving their heads, even if they only possess hearing in one ear, Zucarelli discovered that holographic principles can explain this ability.
Zucarelli has also developed the technology of holophonic sound, a recording technique able to reproduce acoustic situations with an almost uncanny realism.
Pribram's belief that our brains mathematically construct "hard" reality by relying on input from a frequency domain has also received a good deal of experimental support.
It has been found that each of our senses is sensitive to a much broader range of frequencies than was previously suspected.
Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "osmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies. Such findings suggest that it is only in the holographic domain of consciousness that such frequencies are sorted out and divided up into conventional perceptions.
But the most mind-boggling aspect of Pribram's holographic model of the brain is what happens when it is put together with Bohm's theory. For if the concreteness of the world is but a secondary reality and what is "there" is actually a holographic blur of frequencies, and if the brain is also a hologram and only selects some of the frequencies out of this blur and mathematically transforms them into sensory perceptions, what becomes of objective reality?
Put quite simply, it ceases to exist. As the religions of the East have long upheld, the material world is Maya, an illusion, and although we may think we are physical beings moving through a physical world, this too is an illusion.
We are really "receivers" floating through a kaleidoscopic sea of frequency, and what we extract from this sea and transmogrify into physical reality is but one channel from many extracted out of the superhologram.
This striking new picture of reality, the synthesis of Bohm and Pribram's views, has come to be called the holographic paradigm, and although many scientists have greeted it with skepticism, it has galvanized others. A small but growing group of researchers believe it may be the most accurate model of reality science has arrived at thus far. More than that, some believe it may solve some mysteries that have never before been explainable by science and even establish the paranormal as a part of nature.
Numerous researchers, including Bohm and Pribram, have noted that many para-psychological phenomena become much more understandable in terms of the holographic paradigm.
In a universe in which individual brains are actually indivisible portions of the greater hologram and everything is infinitely interconnected, telepathy may merely be the accessing of the holographic level.
It is obviously much easier to understand how information can travel from the mind of individual 'A' to that of individual 'B' at a far distance point and helps to understand a number of unsolved puzzles in psychology. In particular, Grof feels the holographic paradigm offers a model for understanding many of the baffling phenomena experienced by individuals during altered states of consciousness.
 
Greetings 1stBorn, and thanks for the vote of confidence.

I am going to have to reply to this in parts, as there is a lot to digest and respond to in this article. I will do so in the coming days. But first allow me to address something you said, and pose a potential explanation:

However, I have to say, to me, rainmantime's explaination of the 3x3x3 universe is rather convinsing. At least, it seems very possible.
There seems to have been very little attempt at refuting my model/theory. It may be due to some people not really understanding it. However, I would submit there may be another reason: My model does not "invent" anything new, such as a new subatomic particle (e.g. the Rainman Boson). /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif Rather, all I am doing is taking the elements of life that we already know (Objects, Space, and Time) and framing them in a new, but somewhat larger context wherein all 3 "pieces" are tightly integrated. It is my feeling that this distinction is in the best tradition of those great men upon whose shoulders I stand. The best example that I use a lot is: Einstein did not "invent" something new that would necessarily lay waste to Newtonian physics. He simply described a new context of energy (E = mc^2) that helped frame Newtonian physics as one element of general truth within this larger context.

A general comment on this article before I delve into specifics: The use of the holographic analogy is a perfect way to frame what I am trying to describe with my theory/model. The reason it is such a good analogy is because the holograph exhibits 3-dimensional characertistics within a 2-dimensional medium. The model/theory that I propose is describing the elements of Mass, Space, and Time as 3-dimensional manifestations of a larger, 4-dimensional, integrated context. If I am correct in my theory/model, if one were to "jump" out to the 4th dimension and observe our 3-dimensional universe as an integrated whole, you would not perceive Mass, Space, or Time as distinct elements. Rather, you would perceive only "Energy", which we cannot perceive directly in our 3-D realm. We can only perceive the Mass/Space/Time EFFECTS of energy.

More later....Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
Greetings 1st Born,

Isn't this just another example of Schrodinger's cat from a different point of view?

Einstein found the issure of "faster than the speed of light" a messy condition.

I have sometimes played around with an idea that I got from reading a novel called "Venus on the Halfshell" written by Kilgore Trout, (most people actually attribute the small book to Kurt Vonnegut, early in his carrer before penning "Catch 22" and other novels).

The idea is set in two universes, side by side. Each particle is somewhere within its respective universe, but it is also "tied" or incommunicado with another Particle in the next universe. If you visualize each universe as a cubic container, the different particles occupy differing positions within the identically measured universes. But if you could somehow, mathematically collapse each iniverse into only a single plane, the two particles would line up.

Now please note that I am not a physicist, I have not studied advanced mathematics or very much science beyond high school physics, so this could sound very daft.

This reminds me of something I read about in John Nash's biography, "A Beautiful Mind".
Yes I also saw the movie but the book was better.

Nash had solved a mathematical problem by flattening and folding it. Now I wish I could recall the nomenclature of the problem, but I can't.


Now, considering all this, I ask myself how could this be articulated in mutiple universes?

Exerpts from article entitled "Parallel Universes: Not just a Staple of Science Fiction, Other Universes are a Direct Implication of Cosmological Obversations" written by Max Tegmark in the May 2003 volume of Scientific American:


<font color="blue">Pg. 47 "Quantum mechanics predicts a vast number of parallel universes by broadening the concept of elsewhere. These universes are located elsewhere, not in ordinary space but in an abstract realm of all possible states.

Pg. 47 "QUANTUM DICE: Imagine an ideal die whose randomness is purely quantum. When you roll it, the die appears to land on a certain value at random. Quantum mechanics, however, predicts that it lands on all values at once. One way to reconcile these contradictory views is to conclude that the die lands on different values in different universes.

Pg. 46 "The theory specifies the state of the universe not in classical terms, such as the positions and velocities of all particles, but in terms of a mathematical object called a wave function. According to the Schrodinger equation, this state evolves over time in a fashion that mathematicians term unitary, meaning that the wave function rotates in an abstract infinite-dimensional space called Hilbert space. Although quantum mechancis is often described as inherently random and uncertain, the wave function evolves in a deterministic way. There is nothing random or uncertain about it.

"The sticky part is how to connect this wave function with what we observe. Many legitimate wave functions correspond to counterintuitive situations, such as a cat being dead and alive at the same time in a so-called superposition. In the 1920's physicists explained away this weirdness by postulating that the wave function collapsed into some definite classical outcome whenever someone made an observation. This add-on had the virtue of explaining observations, but it turned an elegant, unitary theory into a kludgy, nonunitary one. [/COLOR]

My position being, that if time is only a construct of man, why not space? Since we interact with our perspective of space, we can not observe that space and time may be flat mathematically, there by explaining the spooky interconnectiveness. So that one particle, which in my example of only two universes, were pinpointed at differing locales, if you extrapolate that idea to infinte universes, then that one particle occupies every possible point to infinity or ad nauseam, depending on how bad a headache one gets in trying to take this all in.


Just a guess.


(SORRY FOR THE LONG QUOTE. I JUST COULDN'T PARAPHRASE IT TO MAKE IT CLEAR TO ANYONE.)

I loved hearing the information about hollograms. I saw my first one when I was 5 years old (1970) at a science museum in Canada. It was fascinating. It seemed as though the hollograms you described retained their composition fractally. The way your article defined this underlying reality that explains the universe's connectiveness, makes me want to turn the universe inside out, like a t-shirt, to see what is printed on the inside or at least to see what size it is. Small, medium, large, XL. It would make an excellent uniform for a team of cosmic baseball players fishing for temporal trout.


How this all applies to the human brain is both anthropomorphic and probably fractally infinite.



The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
"of those great men upon whose shoulders I stand" -nice quote

Could you put your theory into lamens terms for those of us who don't hold university degrees in physics?

I'm still having trouble grasping the 3x3x3 concept, but with your remark of a 4 dimension entity coming into our 3rd dimension world they would see one extra thing, another thing other than objects, space, time. Please stop me if I have it wrong
 
To Rainman Time:

(I hereby nominate "Rainman Time boson" for the energy that one would observe if we could jump out of the fourth dimension!)

Scratch that, doesn't make too much sense.

I hereby nominate "Rainman Time Energy Field of Dreams" for the energy that one would observe if we could jump out of the fourth dimension. The fourth dimension being a construct of our three dimensional world with the addition of the dimension of time.

/ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif(Did I get that correct Prof. Rainman Time? I believe Julian Barbour proposes such a fourth dimension in a xyz diagram near the beginning of his book "The End of Time" if I am not mistaken?)

It seems to me that the world Is really flat after all.
Or at least that is how I imagine it would appear jumping out of the fourth dimension and looking down. A flat plane of "Rainman Time Energy Field of Dreams". It is easy to also imagine some sort of deities playing games on that field. Ha!



The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone
 
Greetings All,I had to make a correction to this posting, because I referred to the wrong movie. I was thinking about the movie "They Live", as my friends pointed out tonight. Not the movie "They".

To quote 1st Born's quote:

"Researchers have discovered, for instance, that our visual systems are sensitive to sound frequencies, that our sense of smell is in part dependent on what are now called "osmic frequencies", and that even the cells in our bodies are sensitive to a broad range of frequencies."

What the heck is that HAARP thing doing anyways?

Has anyone seen the flick "They" featuring Rowdy Roddy Piper of pro wrestling fame? Maybe we need some anti-HAARP sunglasses to see the political spectrum as it really is!

The Appropriteness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Hey there, Keven:

Sorry to everyone in this thread, but I am not likely to get around to answering their questions or commenting on too much. The post 1stBorn has made, with the article, has some important points that I wish to tie-in with my theory, one by one. So I wish to spend the rest of my posts on this thread doing that. But before I do....

Could you put your theory into lamens terms for those of us who don't hold university degrees in physics?
That could be a bit difficult, but you don't really need a complete degree...you really only need to understand freshman level physics (which deals with systems of units and the basic energy equations). But I will try to help you understand.

I'm still having trouble grasping the 3x3x3 concept, but with your remark of a 4 dimension entity coming into our 3rd dimension world they would see one extra thing, another thing other than objects, space, time. Please stop me if I have it wrong
Not really one "extra" thing, but rather you would see what Mass, and Space, and Time look like when they are all mixed together into one big "glob". Think of this analogy to help you understand: Let's say I have some baking flour, several eggs, some baking soda, and some chocolate. I can look at them as separate things and identify what they are. Well, these things are also the main ingredient of a chocolate cake, right? But when I go through the process of baking the cake, once it comes out of the oven I do not necessarily see all the ingredients that went into it. I just see one yummy chocolate cake! Now apply this to how we perceive the universe: As human beings we distinguish three major "elements" in our reality.... Mass (objects, or things), Space, and the passage of Time.

These three elements are the "fundamental units" that make up any measure of Energy. There are many equations that describe how energy is composed of these three elements. The equation for kinetic energy (energy of motion) is KE = 0.5*mass*velocity^2. And if you look at the units of velocity, they can be broken down into Length (which is a measure of Space) divided by Time. So you would then say the equation for kinetic energy is KE = 0.5*mass*(space/time)^2. Another equation to describe Energy is Einstein's famous E = m*c^2, where "m" is Mass, and "c" is the velocity of light (and velocity is still Space/Time).

But unlike the analogy of the chocolate cake, we cannot directly perceive (see) Energy. We can only perceive the resultant effects of Energy. For instance, you see an airplane moving quickly through the sky, you are seeing the effects of kinetic energy because that kinetic energy is what is moving the mass of the airplane through the sky at some velocity.

Did that help? Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
First of several posts to dissect this excellent article's points:

It doesn't matter whether they are 10 feet or 10 billion miles apart.
Somehow each particle always seems to know what the other is doing. The problem with this feat is that it violates Einstein's long-held tenet that no communication can travel faster than the speed of light.
I'm not sure how much Michael Talbot knows about Einstein's theories, but this statement is one that further perpetuates an error in what many people think Einstein claimed about the speed of light. I don't know of any paper in which Einstein established that the speed of light is some universal speed limit that can never be broken. What he did say was: "The speed of light is the same for all observers, regardless of their relative speed." Beyond the fact that this establishes the speed of light as a "constant", the other key piece to this statement is OBSERVATION. The following is from another post I made in another topic on this board, and it might be a better way to think about what Einstein was implying by his statement above:

If someone or something WERE able to travel at a speed in excess of the speed of light, no observer outside the lightspeed traveler's frame of reference would be able to detect (see) the traveler in order to ascertain that the speed of light was exceeded.

So...with regard to this statement above, I think the most one could say is that we would never DETECT any communication that exceeded the speed of light. However, we might detect the EFFECT of such a superluminal communication! For instance, to play on a later comment from the article regarding psychic powers: A person somehow gets a "flash of insight" in their mind that someone is going to be hit by a car in the next few minutes. When he sees that person in "real life" and then he sees the car heading towards that person, he runs and pulls that person away from the car. Could the "flash of insight" in their mind have been transmitted from the "future" at speeds in excess of the speed of light? We cannot prove (detect) it, but we can see an effect that could validate such a claim! And this leads into my next comment on the article...

Since traveling faster than the speed of light is tantamount to breaking the time barrier
This ties into another post I made in which I gave an analogy for how we set our arrow of time by the speed of light. The analogy was: imagine a species with no eyes, and this species' fastest sense was hearing. Such a species would set their arrow of time based on the speed of SOUND. And they would have their own version of Einstein who would say that the speed of sound was constant, and thus no one could HEAR (as opposed to SEE) anyone or anything traveling faster than the speed of sound.

The point here is: If we set our arrow of Time (cause &amp; effect) with respect to the speed of light, then Time really is nothing more than an "invention" of man, based on the limitations of our senses to perceive light. One would only need to be able to exceed the speed of light to give the APPEARANCE (to us) that this person has traveled through Time. If we open our minds, and think BEYOND the limitations of our senses, we may begin to see that "Past, Present, and Future" are merely constructs of our mind to explain what our senses tell us. The "reality" of our universe could be that everything exists in one big, eternal "now".

That's enough for this post. My next one will comment on another part of this article.... Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
Dear Prof. RainmanTime:

In reference to how poeple sometimes confuse Einstien saying nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, I know I get tripped up with the "c" in the famous equation, because it represents "a constant" which in this instance is the speed of light. But that speed of light is relative to the observer.

Am I just blowing wind out of my bum, or is this on the right track?

Tha Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Hi folks, Persephone here,

I have done some changes and added some stuff to my postings here to better explain my ideas, and to more carefully address 1st Born's excellent article.

Take a look if you want,

The Appropriateness of Chance is Astounding
Persephone

"There are great ideas undiscovered, breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers" by Neil Armstrong
 
Rainmantime said, "One would only need to be able to exceed the speed of light to give the APPEARANCE (to us) that this person has traveled through Time. If we open our minds, and think BEYOND the limitations of our senses, we may begin to see that "Past, Present, and Future" are merely constructs of our mind to explain what our senses tell us. The "reality" of our universe could be that everything exists in one big, eternal "now"."

Exactly! I think you hit the nail on the head in one of your previous posts regarding perception and how science has made errors in allowing certain perception limitations to dictate "facts". I have been tying the holographic theory to your 3x3x3 theory and they make an interesting scenario \ theory. I thank you for your insightful posts.

But, let’s assume for a sec that the holographic theory is true, I'm not saying I believe it but am entertaining the thought in fun, and a particle contains a mirror image of all particles as a whole. If somehow a time particle, if there is such a thing, could be detected and isolated, would it then be possible to harness the energy within that particle that represents one of its sub particles, such as the past or the future. OR, what if there was a universal particle that we can not detect, could such energy as that of a black hole be harnessed and used in some form. I'm not a believer of the JT stuff, and I HATE to even bring it up, but I was thinking, and all of you JT advocates will love this.. If a universal particle existed, not currently acknowledged by man, in the holographic state and contained the universe as a whole within itself, could one pin point a black hole within the universe "hologram" within that particle and could that energy be used in some way? I believe that JT said they fired an atom via a particle accelerator into a micro singularity to achieve time travel.. Sounds crazy to me but if the singularity were located within the universe of the microscopic particle, could a sub particle or laser be fired into that singularity and what would the result be? I know that this is an off the wall scenario but if the holographic theory were true and we had some means of detecting time or universal particles, not currently known by man thanks to our limited perception, and could map the particle, I would think that we could then manipulate the particle.. And I'd love to see the result.

Taking it one step further, into the realm of absurdity, could a particle of life exist? If such a particle existed in a hallographic state, life as a whole would be mirrored within the particle meaning that we would all actually have the answer to, “how did life begin” mapped out before us inside of the particle. Like I said, these are not my beliefs, just thoughts, it’s late and they’re getting crazier .. but the next time I get a fortune cookie that says, “look for the answers deep within yourself.” It will have a completely different meaning to me.

Like I said, the scenario above is not one I believe. However, I do think that raimantime's description of how we are tricked by our perception into establishing certain "facts" is obviously our downfall in trying to truly understand the universe and what it is made of. I only hope that we can one day detect or witness the effects of superluminal communications to help better understand just exactly what’s going on in our universe.

Regards,
1stBorn

"Nobody plans to fail. They fail to plan."
 
Some more points from this article:

Unlike normal photographs, every part of a hologram contains all the information possessed by the whole. The "whole in every part" nature of a hologram provides us with an entirely new way of understanding organization and order.
This shows an undeniable link to fractal organization, as Persephone pointed out, and that leads us down the mathematical road of Chaos Theory. The foundations of both Chaos Theory and fractals is understanding non-linear mathematics and phenomenon. This then leads us into the world of closed-loop systems that utilize feedback loops to stay within a given fractal basin boundary, or to transition from one fractal basin to another in an optimal manner. My professional career has been dominated by the study and design of closed-loop control systems...and let me assure anyone reading: Those of us in my business are beginning to realize that the tools we have been using for our craft (frequency response and Nyquist criterion) that are based in complex plane mathematics are directly related to Chaos Theory and non-linear dynamics. As the pure math of Chaos/Fractals/Non-Linear merges with the engineering applications in control system dynamics, this will set the stage for some very amazing advances in control systems... in terms of their accuracy, efficiency, and intelligence.

For most of its history, Western science has labored under the bias that the best way to understand a physical phenomenon, whether a frog or an atom, is to dissect it and study its respective parts.
Yes, yes, Y E S! I maintain that continual decomposition, and looking for smaller and smaller elements, raises more questions than it ever answers! This is why, in my theory, I see no need to ever try to dissect the subdimensions of Mass we know as Electron, Proton, and Neutron. The question is not what smaller pieces make up these atomic particles, but rather HOW THESE TRIAD OF PARTICLES INTERACT WITH ONE ANOTHER AND THE OTHER TWO DIMENSIONS (Space and Time). In other words, an INTEGRATED understanding of how Mass, Space, and Time (along with their respective trinity of subdimensions) interweave with each other to form our perceived reality.

As you stare at the two television monitors, you might assume that the fish on each of the screens are separate entities. After all, because the cameras are set at different angles, each of the images will be slightly different. But as you continue to watch the two fish, you will eventually become aware that there is a certain relationship between them.
An excellent analogy to help us understand the illusion of separate Mass, Space, Time we live within. And make no mistake about it, I do believe that our perceptions of distinction between Mass, Time, and Space ARE just illusions of separateness. Yet, they are a convenient, and standard means by which all of us as individuals can share experiences with one another. When we tell stories to each other, we talk of Objects, Spaces, and Times. It is our means for communicating how we perceive reality.

But the reality of reality is really not the separate Mass, Space, and Time we think we perceive. The 4th dimensional reality is a complete, and perfect, integration of these three orthogonal measures that we use to relate to one another. RELATE...Relativity... What Einstein's equations quantify is how we, as sensory beings, RELATE to our 4-dimensional universe, which is nothing but one big sea of Energy!!

That's enough for this post...Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
Science is making leaps in gapping this perceived distance between Mass, Space, and Time...Companies such as IBM, Motorola, Xerox, Lucent, and Sun Microsystems, Bell labs/AT&amp;T Labs already are researching the possibilities of "nanotechnology and quantum particle entanglement" that have invested in research that crosses the lines of physics, chemistry, and biology and try to apply that knowledge to computer science. There is a growing recognition that even the most primitive biological organisms are more sophisticated than the most advanced supercomputers because of their capability to learn, store, and transfer information as well as self replicate.

For example, the behavior of the Slug has a very simple nervous system. Its nervous system has a calcium signal wave that pulses constantly. When the slug is stimulated the wave is altered. This is an intelligent network! If we can find out how a biological organism like this stores information, then what would that mean for computer science?

I happen to know the number of transistors on a chip doubles every 18 months. At the present rate of change, by 2012 a transistor will be about three atoms thick! Once we start working with devices the size of atoms we get into the laws of quantum mechanics...

We will be able to pack more computational power into a device the size of a sugar cube than is available in the world now! I think that in the not so distant future, maybe by 2020, definitely by 2050, we will have devices with the computational power of (10 to the 24th power) logic operations per second, roughly a billion Pentium computers...

The concepts of perceiving and manipulating the spaces/distance-internal/external between Mass, Space, and Time are only a half a century away... /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Read the article on the dissolvement of time effects om this message board and check out the books on the website at the end of the article. It may add weight to your response and the laws secience dictates to use through discovered knowledge being another "so called fact" that society tells us "this is how life is". And if we assume and do not challane what it is "science" tells is fact we miss the reality of truth that really exists, and in doing this limit our minds to a box set of ideas that may be incorrect and being being so far from the truth of what "reality actually is".

Unbundling the facts of science and dissolvment of such may make way for understanding the reality of what really is, unlimiting ourselves to time travel and much more.

That web reference is www.buytheart.co.nz go to the link for the free library - Books 1 through 4 give new perspective to realization. It does focus on spirit and christ which you may or may not subscribe to, however if you simply open yourself to the relms of possibility and read through them it may reveal that which we dont know NOW.
 
I left off my last commentary with:
RELATE...Relativity... What Einstein's equations quantify is how we, as sensory beings, RELATE to our 4-dimensional universe, which is nothing but one big sea of Energy!!
Relativity implies and demands a focus on RELATIONSHIPS. If you understand the relationships between any two, or more things, then you understand those things, themselves.

Once we speak of our physical universe, or "a physical reality", we immediately also define the possibility of its polar opposite...namely, "a non-physical reality". Or....for sake of giving it a different name, let's call it a spiritual reality, where we understand spiritual to simply be a way of saying non-physical.

There is a known relationship between Physical and Spiritual. The power of this relationship is the power that creates all things physical and spiritual. It is the power of the simple, and scientific, law of LOVE. THELEMA

Each of us perceives that we are physical human beings, and there is a universe external to us. We perceive that both of these entities (self and non-self) are composed of this 3x3x3 Matrix of Massive SpaceTime. But in "reality"...or the next-highest RELATIVE reality (which is the 4th dimension beyond our 3D), all that exists is raw energy.....perfect blendings of Mass/Space/Time.

We truly ARE "locked in a Matrix" in our 3x3x3-dimensional world of Mass/Space/Time. This Matrix actually is a hologram. The "true reality" is seen in the 4th dimension. The dimension of integrated Energy. This is the dimension that more and more humans will become aware of, and will learn to broach. If you want to transcend the Matrix of 3x3x3 Massive SpaceTime, you must first be willing to awaken to the fact that it IS a hologram. Once you allow this to be possible, you open the way to understanding how to transcend the hologram. And that means getting in touch with the deeper parts of the non-physical elements of yourself.

How lucky we are to be living in this time in history. For ahead of us is a new enlightenment, a new understanding of the relationship between ourselves and our universe...an enlightenment and revelation that will change things forever. The end of ordinary time.

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
 
This Matrix actually is a hologram.

Wow Ray! A moments insight is sometimes worth a lifes experience...

In fact I bet your the guy that could write the instruction manual for such a thing. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
i think like 1stborn.but if we understand time like 3x3x3 "body", we can say that if we change (altere,travel,...) one of this parameters we can travel on time or in parallel realities.and travel in parallel realities can be very dangerous,because we might not know that we´re on this realities,because we are in one of this,and this realities can be very similar to our "real" reality.so if we travel on parallel realities, how can we know that we are on this realities if the other realities are like our own reality?

please answer to my question

Note:sorry,because I´m from Spain and my english isn´t good
 
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