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# A singularity

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Hello.

Could you please attempt to explain to me what a singularity/black hole is?
Are they the same thing? I have found this dictionary definition, which I can just about grasp, but I am hoping someone can elaborate on it. How on earth could you trap a singularity in something, and use it as power?

*Astrophysics. A point in space-time at which gravitational forces cause matter to have infinite density and infinitesimal volume, and space and time to become infinitely distorted.

A singularity if i can remember rightly is that which is found at the 'centre' of a black hole.
Some would say that the trick to travelling through a black hole, apart from the incredible gravitational forces that would pull you apart until you are no more than a micron thick, is to try and miss the singularity and enter out through a theoretical exit to who knows where.
I think the singularity was only supposed to be very small indeed anyway, but the power that it has is such that you might call it a sort of engine I suppose.
If I have gotten anything wrong here please would others correct me as I am working from memory at the moment and have no scientific texts to work from
I do find the idea of using the power from the singularity an intriguing premise, its the practical application I am at odds to fathom. You have to remember that black holes are not constant, they have a limited lifespan, compared to the galactic lifespan, and so would maybe work as a form of power for starships or whole planets for as little as a thousand years, the problem being that once you use up the power present, what do you use next? Also, were to use the power from a black hole to power a starship to near lightspeed, this may well tap out the power of a black hole in a very short while, although all you really need is to get your ship to those speeds, you would need another black hole to slow you down. The mind boggle.

The case of John Titor according to Boolean algebra, is and is not proven.

The said working of such a time machine, as said in the Titor case, at beast, would have to work in approximations?

The energy feedback with have to be a back pressure quantum reflux.

A black hole is the result of what used to be a star. When a star's life is over, it first expands enormously, and after that it shrinks. Some very large stars shrink so much that they become a black hole, which means that gravity and density of the matter is so high, that nothing can escape from it, not even light. Singularity is idd the centre of a black hole, and it means that density of matter becomes infinite in that singularity. You can compare it with Earth, shrinking to the size of a coin, but still having the same weight. This is what happens to stars at the end of their life. But not every star becomes a black hole, but when a star shrinks so much that its density becomes infinite, than you have a black hole. But I believe only the largest stars become black holes. I don't think our sun will become a black hole at the end of its life, because it is only a middle class star.

Hi Creedo:

The energy feedback with have to be a back pressure quantum reflux.

Hmmmm. Interesting. Do you have some schematics and control loop equations for that? I'd really be interested in seeing these principles.

If I understand the concept of this SciFi fantasy "Quantum Reflux Generator" idea, it uses quantum reactions at the nuclear level to accelerate matter out of a nozzle in such a manner that thrust increases in an exponential manner. Now I may not be "up" on my quatum reflux reaction science, but as a controls guy I *do* know that exponential responses are not the kinds of things we wish for in control systems. Such responses are awfully hard to control, and even harder to STOP. How would one shut this "reflux drive" off? What is the damping mechanism to provide negative feedback when you reach a thrust level you desire?

Got something on the drawing board, Creedo?

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime

No baby-face' your TTI's poster-boy, "all the wimen are talking about you)), I don't.

If I did have schemos, I would probably get a knock at my door?

Like I was saying in earlier frames of reference to what good Ms. Moore had said of the Titor-mobile and its working, that the outer doubelarity twin shell, is a non-specific locale.

This shell in technical terms, does not exist.

The reason behind this, is a simple singularity, provides only a single point of reference if one goes straight at it. Know' at an angle if intercedance, reaches a multi veneer stage of access into what Einstein had referred to as other coordinate, set apart from the xyz corner and or, phantom corner axises.

Oppenhiemer thought this, in his earlier paper, (Holes), however it seems could not verbalize what Einstein was saying.(Don't know, look up paper Holes, by Robert Oppenheimer; did he use an ABCDE set of co-ords, or others as an XYZ axis)?

On the proposed double shell, time is lucid, however by the definition of how the said Tripler Cylinders would work, is correspondent to a push reference from the time displacement unit itself.

So your outer shell must inpart, be microwaves, by nature.

The outer shells themselves, must be a power source.
However the mystery comes from the design red effect of how does one interject electrons to the outer shell, preferably, to attain either plus or negative referenced time?

The possible solution might be, that the electrons are interphased to the outer shell, or outer (doublearities), via an either out of this spatial time phase method of sending them, or as a re-phased, anti-electrons.

The starting point for this electron, would have to be within the case itself, or possibly induced from the outer shells, via projected quantum gravitational means?

Again, for anyone wanting to milk from these conversations and construct a real time machine out of the said Titor time travel supposed schemos; this is a very dangerous process.This said is as, if one does not establish the outer shells just so and furthermore injects the electrons into the outer shell matrix, in an unjust manner, then an explosion could result?

Rainman, the Triplers would have to be micro cylinders, for eight inch proportions, constructed of machined tolerance, in rare metals.

This would have to be an inlay, of possible plates of rare metal inserts, into an actively rotating series of plates, probably under a cryogenic realms?

I am leaving the said IBM computer out of this, as it may be, that this type of time machine would already posses microcircutry within?

&gt;So let's add the sought after large Legacy mainframe to the other intentioned semi-set, or proposed non-use, with any reference to how this said time machine would have worked.

*No' I do not approve of this older stile of said machine, when by ledger, there is source data, which entails that other methods of both time travel and interspaced displacement, have been utilized?

Note, a very special thanks to Ms. Moore, for her efforts in the earlier tellings of the workings of the said Titor-mobile?

The reflux power generator, must be a by nature, reversed feed-in microwave receiver.

This receivers, must then convert microwaves, or microwave energy, to power.

They could have also used a power thermocouple.

Or an electrostatic particle receiver, which would have sourced from the energy given off by the doublearities?

&gt;&gt;The nature of this proposed apparatus, must have a constant in-line feedback, which must establish itself, as a balanced power out, then entropy to return power, back to the machine.

If for even a second, power is lost, there is no battery power, strong enough, to support the production of the outer shells?//

These twin overlapping shell, I would venture to say, are not exact Kerr black hole phenominons?

This is so, as the center of t you Kerrs, is already inhabited?

So therefore your outer shells, must always be an approximation of Kerr-like activities?

Hang on here a second, Creedo:

No baby-face' your TTI's poster-boy, "all the wimen are talking about you)), I don't.

Are we getting personal here? Could you please clarify what you are getting at with this comment?

I have tried to refrain from calling you names, and have tried to stay focused on asking you to please clarify some of your scientific statements, or at least provide some viable scientific references. But if you are now opening the door to personal comments, I must let you know that you will not like the results of said initiation.

You chastise Siegmund for being rude, and I can read nothing but rudeness into this comment. Perhaps now it is you who owe an apology?

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime

Your'e a handsome gentlemen.

Don't take offence when people complement your appearance?

Don't take offence when people complement your appearance?

I had no idea Rain's appearance was incomplete.

I should not give any more compliments......?

uhhh roel i think you thought he wrote completement, he wrote complement which is the right way so spelling it, just clearing it up.

Actually, Keven, Roel knows exactly what he is saying:

complement

vs.

compliment

Creedo corrected his spelling is his follow-up.

And Creedo, the fact I could not even figure out your phrase as a compliment is just more evidence that you would do well to use much more common sentence structure to get your point across. You seem to indicate a decent knowledge of English construct rules. But I see no need for you to purposely obfuscate your meanings in an attempt to impress.

I acknowledge you have a level of intelligence above most, but the usefulness of said intelligence is minimized when it is wrapped (hidden?) within strained attempts at sounding more intelligent than you are. Just communicate normally, and maybe clarify points when asked by others. Really... I am not your enemy, but you do annoy sometimes. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Right said Fred?

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime

uh, keven... no... I think he wrote complement while he meant compliment. To complement means adding, with the intention of making something complete or perfect. This is way offtopic, sorry, but you know... just clearing it up

Roel

I'm sorry, I will make no further references to your covering.

Raiman' if it's drawing you want, how about shuttle protypes at Palmdale?

They could have stretched out these prototypes by now and had a fleet, which would have placed us in orbit by now.

Now the powers that be, are pushing back the exploration dates to our immediate solar system, fifteen years.

Why even bother to tell me this?

I was showing some civility by saying something nice to you.

This new crop of newbees, "not all of them", have little, or no social couth.

It was discovered in another thread, by someone that the supposed pic of the said G.E. time displacement unit, was taken from a hard spined book.

So this means that this book is in print in either the past or the future, so you say, "meta-search", don't you; then this new data narrows this book to the future or present-past.

I've been under fire in this forum, as are a lot of forums, by seemingly disgruntled people as of late.

This is why the probable misspellings?

Rainman, if you can't take a compliment, then I will not refer to you as human any more.

Now, I would almost be afraid to work with you.

What is mealtime discussion; rocks thrown at five paces?

On your asking in this string, forget it, I have no input if everything is this critical.

Yes' drawings sent down to you, so that you can profit on my concept, without a patent hold.

I like having friends, don't you......?

The connection between the outer double shells and the main console, has to be, almost as if a cable, as if one does not have a constant delivery of power, then your pushed out of null space.

As I had said before, this could be an method of three or more modalities?

Note also in Pamela's sayings earlier, if you have followed her earlier post, there seems to be the harassment factor, in dealing with people once you get close?

OK, Creedo. I am going to great lengths to keep my patience here. I am going to point out some of your lack of both specificity and/or context, and I would very much like you to clarify yourself, with precise, and plain, language. If you are as socially capable, and good with English, as you imply, then you will respond to this honest request favorably. Are you ready? Good. Here we go:

Raiman' if it's drawing you want, how about shuttle protypes at Palmdale?
They could have stretched out these prototypes by now and had a fleet, which would have placed us in orbit by now.
I don't know where the space shuttle came from, as I was asking about drawings related to your idea of a Quantum Reflux Generator. At this point, this quote from you represents a non-sequitor. Could you please clarify how space shuttles are related to Quantum Reflux Generators? In the mean time:

Since you have decided to venture into territory (space shuttle) that I am quite sure I am an expert in, let me ask you: how much you know about shuttle safety, reliability, and operational costs? I know a lot.... quite probably way more than you. So when you take a critical tone about "stretching out" these prototypes (not a very clear choice of verbs you made), I am wondering if you are applying an understanding of the inherent shuttle safety, reliability, and operational costs to the possible reason why we do NOT have a large fleet of shuttles? The shuttle is THE MOST COMPLEX vehicle ever built by man. That complexity comes at a cost. Both a real cost in terms of dollars to build and dollars to operate, but also a very high cost in terms of its safety and reliability. In addition, the shuttle represents early 1970s technology, which was already quite dated by the time it went into service in the early 80s. In fact, just the avionics technology alone was so old that parts could not be maintained, and so the fleet had to undergo a complete cockpit overhaul to get new, modern avionics....just so we could keep them flying.

Believe me, if you want to start a thread on the space shuttle, I would be more than happy to educate you on the finer points of its design and operational aspects...to help you understand the thing that you are so lightly criticizing. Now, on to other comments you made:

Why even bother to tell me this?
Please provide context for this statement. I have no idea what you are referring to when you use the word "this". We call this a dangling adjective, as the noun it refers to cannot be located!

This is why the probable misspellings?
Same problem. What is "this" referring to? If you are referring to "being under fire", then will you acknowledge that the REASON you are under fire is that you claim superiority, and yet you will not write in a coherent manner, so people can understand your statements? I will no longer take you to task if you spend some time to think through, and plainly word your statements so they form coherent AND cohesive thoughts.

Rainman, if you can't take a compliment, then I will not refer to you as human any more.
Again, I can take a compliment when I can plainly read a sentence and understand that it is, indeed, a compliment. Please do not act in a condescending manner towards me just because you have a difficult time writing clear, understandable grammar. I believe there are others on this forum that will vouch for what I am saying here. Anyone?

On your asking in this string, forget it, I have no input if everything is this critical.

Again, we have a context problem. Specifically, which "asking" of mine are you referring to? And could you please show me where *I* have been critical in this thread (string?)?

(Side note to other folks who may be following this: The substitution of "string" for "thread" is another potential indication that Creedo is, indeed, a 'Bot. The use of "string" clearly does not fit within the context of a series of forum postings on a specific topic, which we know as "thread". However, a simple, and random, rule within a 'Bot would try to substitute known synonyms as one means to make someone believe that a human is "mixing up their use of language".)

The connection between the outer double shells and the main console, has to be, almost as if a cable, as if one does not have a constant delivery of power, then your pushed out of null space.

Non-sequitor. This has little, if anything, to do with the rest of this post.

Note also in Pamela's sayings earlier, if you have followed her earlier post, there seems to be the harassment factor, in dealing with people once you get close?

The question is, what do you think you are getting close to? You are being harassed for your low level of communicative ability. Only one poster that I know of has attacked your compendium of knowledge, and that was on a neurological subject where he/she clearly had more background than you did. But if harassment makes you happy, I am willing to harass you on your space shuttle knowledge, or lack thereof! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Please try to address my concerns in a coherent manner. If you do not, then I will have yet more evidence that you are just a 'Bot.

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime

Your trained on airframes, do I have that right?

Then good, what are you doing meddling in time travel technologies?

You know nothing of this territory and want drawings from me.

2.The space shuttle came out of the Prime and Asset programs, which had extolled a bathtub-like complex of design parameters.

Gee, for some reason I know this area of discussion very well.With such phrases like, (The early appraisal of the exterior of the shuttle aerodynamic lifting surfaces, were then only touched upon by Fujitsu main frame analytical systems.

Only now, in 2002, to 2004 are they putting this data into Crays, it seems?

Saw the data, then it was theory.

No' there should be at least twenty civilian shuttles in production, which are loft tossed into orbit, from co-joined 747 hybrids.

You never asked if I was a design engineering prodigy, did you?

Or some placements from my paper, Dislocation and loss of shuttle exostructial thermal protion layer tiles, post stall and flutter, shuttle Colombia and Enterprise, Edwards AFB.

Ya' never ask me that or if I even knew what Prime and Asset were.

All spilt milk now and don't, I mean DON'T, preach to me on the complexity of shuttle variants!

Ya got that clear?

I don't care no more, as far as I'm concerned, all they produce is junk.

I mean I could get three drunks out of the P.X. in L.A. and rig up a cargo parachute, which would have saved the lives of the last seven and maybe the seven before that?

Rigged game, no comment.

&gt;Okay on other subjects, such as the reflux power feeds to the main console.

This has to be a constant fountain of uptake on this power, or your inter-case power feeds, will fail.

You got that?

This must be a transmutation phase of affairs.

This is all I can say.

&gt;Yes Pamela did say in her earlier postings, the closer she got to Titor, then dumb things started to happen.

Computer break-ins, phone calls and the like.

It's in the earlier IRQ logs at Anomalies, if you look?

I've got to ask you, do you have an okay on this questing after the time displacment technolgies?

And if you do, then what I've said here, should get you in the door.

The workings of this G.E. unit are touchy.

This is not a good method of time transport.

Go to Pamela, be nice and ask her and she will relay that some aspects of this said unit, via what she told, were marginal, at best.

Do it; give her a note or two and she might share a few things with you?

I don't, want to talk about shuttles. Please drop it!

Bot! Bot! Bot! BUT....I'll keep playing along. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Your trained on airframes, do I have that right?

I am trained in multiple aspects of aerospace vehicles. I work as a systems engineer, which you might know deals with integration of all aspects of vehicle design and test to ensure mission requirements are satisfied. My technical speciality of depth is closed-loop control systems.

Then good, what are you doing meddling in time travel technologies?
You know nothing of this territory and want drawings from me.
It is highly likely that such technologies will require closed-loop control systems. Inasmuch as this is true, I am quite qualified to evaluate the efficacy of any such system given an understanding of its requirements.

Gee, for some reason I know this area of discussion very well.With such phrases like
Heh, heh, heh. It's going to take more than phrases gleaned from a google search to convince this guy you have any in-depth knowledge.

No' there should be at least twenty civilian shuttles in production, which are loft tossed into orbit, from co-joined 747 hybrids.
With this statement you show you have absolutely no knowledge of heavyweight launch requirements. None whatsoever.

Or some placements from my paper, Dislocation and loss of shuttle exostructial thermal protion layer tiles, post stall and flutter, shuttle Colombia and Enterprise, Edwards AFB.
Placements? Heh. Go ahead, give me some verifiable references of said paper you wrote on said topic.

I mean I could get three drunks out of the P.X. in L.A. and rig up a cargo parachute, which would have saved the lives of the last seven and maybe the seven before that?
You have no clue what maximum dynamic pressure means, which was the point at which Challenger exploded. No chute in the world would withstand that.

This is all I can say.
Boy I sure am glad about that! :D

I don't, want to talk about shuttles. Please drop it!
Well, Buck Rogers, YOU were the one who brought it up! And as predicted, Mr. Bot, you were incapable of resolving the contextual and non-sequitor issues I raised in my last post. Alan Turing would be quite sad indeed! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/devil.gif

Quote Entrata Demonstratum! Q.E.D

Kind Regards,
RainmanTime

hmmmmm. well creedo how you doing. Seems when you are angry the truth comes out on you nature. I am not attacking you in any way. I can understand your other postings since I deal with ppl that don't speak english. but this last post seems to me that you have a very firm grasp of getting your thoughts out in a more coherrant manner. I do have some questions though for you.

If you are an engineering prodigy what is your field of knowing. I.E. structures, propulsion, avionics. etc... Just curious.

I have been trained in structural repair and I can read blue prints. Why would it shock you that some one is intrested in knowing how some thing like a time machine worked. I know I my self am very intrested in going beyond what we have to day and know that we could be alot more advanced but ppl don't want to spend the money or will lose money.

I do agree the space shuttle is very much out dated and should be using SCRAM jets to breech the atmo's. Also with the thermal tiles are you using the new aerogel.(frozen smoke)

Also with the transmutation phase is that when the micro waves are turned in to x-rays or gamma.

As for a lot of Newbies on the boards. Yes I am new but I don't judge ppl for who or what they do. Having no social couth some times. Depends on the situation. I am open to any topic. From primordial life to the things you should not talk about. I wont mention here Kinda gross. As far as flaming on boards. I don't like it. Just brings ppl's feeling in to things. Feelings is what takes us away from pure thought. But with some it inspires new thought.

That's all I am going to add on this one. Will post here later when things become more friendly.

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