"The future ain't what it used to be."

Another reason why John Titor is for real..


This story is not getting any media attention in the US.. I wonder why?


Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism

Mark Townsend and Paul Harris in New York
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer

Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters..
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world.

The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents.

'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority.

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades. He was the man behind a sweeping recent review aimed at transforming the American military under Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network.

An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions.

Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like. Jeremy Symons, a former whistleblower at the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), said that suppression of the report for four months was a further example of the White House trying to bury the threat of climate change.

Senior climatologists, however, believe that their verdicts could prove the catalyst in forcing Bush to accept climate change as a real and happening phenomenon. They also hope it will convince the United States to sign up to global treaties to reduce the rate of climatic change.

A group of eminent UK scientists recently visited the White House to voice their fears over global warming, part of an intensifying drive to get the US to treat the issue seriously. Sources have told The Observer that American officials appeared extremely sensitive about the issue when faced with complaints that America's public stance appeared increasingly out of touch.

One even alleged that the White House had written to complain about some of the comments attributed to Professor Sir David King, Tony Blair's chief scientific adviser, after he branded the President's position on the issue as indefensible.

Among those scientists present at the White House talks were Professor John Schellnhuber, former chief environmental adviser to the German government and head of the UK's leading group of climate scientists at the Tyndall Centre for Climate Change Research. He said that the Pentagon's internal fears should prove the 'tipping point' in persuading Bush to accept climatic change.

Sir John Houghton, former chief executive of the Meteorological Office - and the first senior figure to liken the threat of climate change to that of terrorism - said: 'If the Pentagon is sending out that sort of message, then this is an important document indeed.'

Bob Watson, chief scientist for the World Bank and former chair of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, added that the Pentagon's dire warnings could no longer be ignored.

'Can Bush ignore the Pentagon? It's going be hard to blow off this sort of document. Its hugely embarrassing. After all, Bush's single highest priority is national defence. The Pentagon is no wacko, liberal group, generally speaking it is conservative. If climate change is a threat to national security and the economy, then he has to act. There are two groups the Bush Administration tend to listen to, the oil lobby and the Pentagon,' added Watson.

'You've got a President who says global warming is a hoax, and across the Potomac river you've got a Pentagon preparing for climate wars. It's pretty scary when Bush starts to ignore his own government on this issue,' said Rob Gueterbock of Greenpeace.

Already, according to Randall and Schwartz, the planet is carrying a higher population than it can sustain. By 2020 'catastrophic' shortages of water and energy supply will become increasingly harder to overcome, plunging the planet into war. They warn that 8,200 years ago climatic conditions brought widespread crop failure, famine, disease and mass migration of populations that could soon be repeated.

Randall told The Observer that the potential ramifications of rapid climate change would create global chaos. 'This is depressing stuff,' he said. 'It is a national security threat that is unique because there is no enemy to point your guns at and we have no control over the threat.'

Randall added that it was already possibly too late to prevent a disaster happening. 'We don't know exactly where we are in the process. It could start tomorrow and we would not know for another five years,' he said.

'The consequences for some nations of the climate change are unbelievable. It seems obvious that cutting the use of fossil fuels would be worthwhile.'

So dramatic are the report's scenarios, Watson said, that they may prove vital in the US elections. Democratic frontrunner John Kerry is known to accept climate change as a real problem. Scientists disillusioned with Bush's stance are threatening to make sure Kerry uses the Pentagon report in his campaign.

The fact that Marshall is behind its scathing findings will aid Kerry's cause. Marshall, 82, is a Pentagon legend who heads a secretive think-tank dedicated to weighing risks to national security called the Office of Net Assessment. Dubbed 'Yoda' by Pentagon insiders who respect his vast experience, he is credited with being behind the Department of Defence's push on ballistic-missile defence.

Symons, who left the EPA in protest at political interference, said that the suppression of the report was a further instance of the White House trying to bury evidence of climate change. 'It is yet another example of why this government should stop burying its head in the sand on this issue.'

Symons said the Bush administration's close links to high-powered energy and oil companies was vital in understanding why climate change was received sceptically in the Oval Office. 'This administration is ignoring the evidence in order to placate a handful of large energy and oil companies,' he added.

key findings of the report http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153514,00.html
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Key findings of the Pentagon
Sunday February 22, 2004
The Observer

· Future wars will be fought over the issue of survival rather than religion, ideology or national honour.
· By 2007 violent storms smash coastal barriers rendering large parts of the Netherlands inhabitable. Cities like The Hague are abandoned. In California the delta island levees in the Sacramento river area are breached, disrupting the aqueduct system transporting water from north to south.

· Between 2010 and 2020 Europe is hardest hit by climatic change with an average annual temperature drop of 6F. Climate in Britain becomes colder and drier as weather patterns begin to resemble Siberia.

· Deaths from war and famine run into the millions until the planet's population is reduced by such an extent the Earth can cope.

· Riots and internal conflict tear apart India, South Africa and Indonesia.

· Access to water becomes a major battleground. The Nile, Danube and Amazon are all mentioned as being high risk.

· A 'significant drop' in the planet's ability to sustain its present population will become apparent over the next 20 years.

· Rich areas like the US and Europe would become 'virtual fortresses' to prevent millions of migrants from entering after being forced from land drowned by sea-level rise or no longer able to grow crops. Waves of boatpeople pose significant problems.

· Nuclear arms proliferation is inevitable. Japan, South Korea, and Germany develop nuclear-weapons capabilities, as do Iran, Egypt and North Korea. Israel, China, India and Pakistan also are poised to use the bomb.

· By 2010 the US and Europe will experience a third more days with peak temperatures above 90F. Climate becomes an 'economic nuisance' as storms, droughts and hot spells create havoc for farmers.

· More than 400m people in subtropical regions at grave risk.

· Europe will face huge internal struggles as it copes with massive numbers of migrants washing up on its shores. Immigrants from Scandinavia seek warmer climes to the south. Southern Europe is beleaguered by refugees from hard-hit countries in Africa.

· Mega-droughts affect the world's major breadbaskets, including America's Midwest, where strong winds bring soil loss.

· China's huge population and food demand make it particularly vulnerable. Bangladesh becomes nearly uninhabitable because of a rising sea level, which contaminates the inland water supplies.
JT distinctly regarded the 'global warming' problem as not being a big deal in the future. If climate change was responsible for the civil war, why would he say this??

i must admit i couldnt bother reading all that info.

but if you think about when was the last time the enviorment improved, water is and always will get worse, the air we breathe, you name it. when the industrial revolution hit hundreds of years ago the enviorment has declined each year since. predicting something that is already happening doesnt prove anything. my prediction "in the future chickens will die in the thousands due to illness"

even IF half or even 10% of johns predictions come true so what, he himself said that ALL TIMELINES are different by as much as 2%.

i cant stress this point enough, if all worlds have different history they will have different futures. example: john predicts cubs win world series, in his timeline cub fan does not intefere with foul ball, and they win game and on to world series victory. now just by changing 1 little thing the future is different.

by johns own words "THEIR IS NO WAY THAT HE COULD PREDICT ANYTHING IN OUR TIMELINE" everything in our timeline would have to be exact match 24 hours a day.

people want this hoax to be real, so they try so hard to find any proof he wasnt lying. but look at all the evidence and you will CLEARLY see that its all a lie.

i will give one more example, i know the winning lottery numbers for the next 2 draws, now i pick my numbers and win the grand prize(first draw), now in the true path of history nobody wins, so at the next drawing the lottery shows the audience me getting my cheque thus delaying the lottery numbers from being drawn by 1 minute(second draw one week later), it would be IMPOSSIBLE that the numbers i knew for sure would win to win. just by the mere fact that the balls dropped one minute later the results would differ.

look its 2004 and johns FIRST MAJOR PREDICTION was that the united states would be in a civil war after months of waco type of events happening over and over. now even if i wanted to believe well it seems john was WRONG. dont pick the things that merely come close to being correct. john played a game with people 3 YEARS AGO(wake up) that wanted to believe in time travel, he didnt go on a humanitarian website and warn people to change or else, no he went to a place where people want to talk to a time traveller. if you go to a alien abduction website and start spewwing information about being abducted, trust me you will have people there that will believe you too.

well now ive gone and written a book of my own.
OK, it's time for Rainman to come along and introduce a little bit of context here! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer
Uhhhhh, yeah....RIGHT! Just like those MJ-12 documents, eh? Believe me, while US intelligence gathering (like any intelligence gathering) may be subject to holes, spoofing, and blank spots.... We don't let "secrets" get out unless we really want them to (and at that point, one should ask themselves if they are really "secrets" or counter-espionage disinfo).

The report was commissioned by influential Pentagon defence adviser Andrew Marshall, who has held considerable sway on US military thinking over the past three decades.

NEWS FLASH! The Defense Department has self-serving motivations for things it does, just like you and I! BIGGER NEWS FLASH! The DOD stands to benefit (budgetwise) from ANY study report that claims some sort of conflict is just around the corner. And it doesn't much matter whether the source of the conflict is global warming or terrorists who fly airplanes into skyscrapers. Either way, if the report is believed, it gets DOD the dough they want.

Editorial Comment: Try telling the people in the NE US, who have lived thru a pretty cold winter, that we are experiencing "global warming".

Kind Regards,
I live in NY, about 5 min. away from JFK... we had a pretty cold winter, dare I say colder than last year?

Hell, it even snowed yesterday!

Go watch Penn & Teller: Bullsh*t ... the one about greenpeace, it's really informative.