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Hussiens' impact on Titor......

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Hussiens\' impact on Titor......

Well now that Saddam has been caught and everybody is dancing around the globe in joy....Bushs' chances of re-election have now increased significantly.

Look at what just happened here in ONE day....one of the most murderous men in the world has been captured ALIVE! The amount of information they will get out of Saddam Hussein will be endless, im really surprised he didnt cap himself.

The only way Husseins life is going to be spared is if he spills the beans on ALOT of things, this should be interesting.

Back to Titor....JT never mentioned anything about this event which seems to be of historical porportions already. I dont see Bush losing this election election by anything less than a landslide as a result of what happened here.

Your opinions?
 
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Back to Titor....JT never mentioned anything about this event which seems to be of historical porportions already. I dont see Bush losing this election election by anything less than a landslide as a result of what happened here.

Your opinions?

Yes he did. He said that this whole war was just a diversion to make americans prepare for a different war. Remember how the whole war's theme was "we're in a different type of war"?

In all actuality, that statement could lead up to any major event. Plus, John Titor wasn't even supposed to reviel any of the future, he's not your fortune teller. go ask mrs. cleo about that kind of stuff.
 
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Nah, i dont buy any of that ^^^^, any moron in 2000/2001 could have told you that there would be another iraq/usa conflict in the near future. We were still patrolling the gulf area for many years after the gulf war ended.....blowing installations up.
 
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JT never mentioned anything about this event which seems to be of historical porportions already. I dont see Bush losing this election election by anything less than a landslide as a result of what happened here

I feel sorry for people who will re-elect Bush because of this.

I mean think about it. In what way has Bush defended America? What would the world be like today if Iraq wasn't invaded?

I mean, of course, there's no doubt that he was a an evil SOB, but there are plenty of those around the world - who decides which ones deserve to be punished.

In a world where people have grown up watching too many movies, it seems like the perfect final scene. The bad guy is caught in the end...

What happens now? He gets tried in an Iraqi International Court of Law. America will have little or no influence in proceedings - Saddam's crimes have nothing to do with them. I foresee plenty of judiciary problems arising - I'm surprised he wasn't found dead, but then again people wouldn't believe it, if they only found a body...

"The only code of ethics a politician has, is to get re-elected"
Bertie Ahern, Taoiseach(Current Irish Primeminister)

James
 
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who decides which ones deserve to be punished.
- That "who" is the USA. Why? Because we are the most powerful nation in the world as far as GDP, military size, and pretty much everything else goes. It boils down to the caveman way of life: the biggest, strongest caveman is the leader... Why? because he can beat the crap out of anyone who stands in his way.

In a world where people have grown up watching too many movies, it seems like the perfect final scene. The bad guy is caught in the end...
- Only this movie is one that isn't going to end (soon anyway.)

What happens now? He gets tried in an Iraqi International Court of Law. America will have little or no influence in proceedings - Saddam's crimes have nothing to do with them. I foresee plenty of judiciary problems arising - I'm surprised he wasn't found dead, but then again people wouldn't believe it, if they only found a body...
- That's just the way it goes. I guess Bush see's it as, "As long as the American people think Saddam has been 'brought to justice,' I get re-elected and the world is a better place." It's just more political bull-[censored].
 
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That "who" is the USA. Why? Because we are the most powerful nation in the world as far as GDP, military size, and pretty much everything else goes. It boils down to the caveman way of life: the biggest, strongest caveman is the leader... Why? because he can beat the crap out of anyone who stands in his way

The trouble with that mentality is that you shouldn't be surprised when other cavemen want a bigger piece of the mammoth... It is dangerous to believe that society acts this way!

America does not represent the world. In science fiction films this particular narrow mindedness insults me. The most recent example is in the latest Terminator film. The other two terminator films alluded to the idea that the struggle agains the machines was an effort on behalf of all mankind(note 'all')... but low and behold, in the triumphant scenes of John Connor in the future of this film we see the tattered american flag flying in the background.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for national pride, but believing oneself to be a superior breed? Well now, where in history have I heard of that before...

James
 
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I don't think that it was stated that we think we are a superior "breed" but rather our country as a whole is better than any other country in the world.

I honestly don't say that to be conceited, it's just that the USA is one of a few (maybe only?) countries where more people want in than want out. That has to say something about our nation. And there is nothing wrong with taking pride in that, just don't let the pride turn to contempt.
 
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First off, I don't want to be accused of any racism towards America. I don't want anyone typing at me before they read what I'm saying! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I don't think that it was stated that we think we are a superior "breed" but rather our country as a whole is better than any other country in the world.

True it was never stated. But in saying what you are saying, there is definately an air of superiority there.

I honestly don't say that to be conceited, it's just that the USA is one of a few (maybe only?) countries where more people want in than want out.

And what about the entire EU? Even in Ireland, we are dealing with immigrants, which a couple of decades ago would have been unheard of. America was a country built on immigration. It was the New World. People will always go where they think the money is because they believe they can have a share of it.

Don't get me wrong. The US as it is today, has done very well for itself in the short time that it has existed. I just feel sometimes when I look at your country, that maybe it moved too fast?

My original point was that no one country has the right to doctrime another because of a superiority in wealth or might. Such a ruler is known as a tyrant.

James
 
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I'm sorry, but being an open minded American who sees fascism on the rise and who sees many other people who see it as well (visit http://www.impeachbush.org/ for starters) I can only say that there are an increasing number of Americans who are ashamed and embarrassed over our foreign policies who also notice that the voice of the public is becoming non-issue, and that the only reason to stay in the country is security which is becomming harder to justify the more our liberty and civil rights are being jeopardized. It is only through ignorance of the future that people are coming to America. America was built on greed and selfishness which is becomming more apparent to everyone on this planet. It is only a matter of time before America is the enemy of the entire planet.
 
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Only thing I was trying to get at in my first post is that America is the most powerful country in the world right now. Conceited or not, it's a fact.
 
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Only thing I was trying to get at in my first post is that America is the most powerful country in the world right now.

That's not exactly true. You stated it as a reason why it should have the power to determine the fate of other governments.

If that's not what you meant, I'm sorry, but that's the way it reads.

James
 
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True it was never stated. But in saying what you are saying, there is definately an air of superiority there.

The air of superiority is what I mean we need to avoid. No one likes a cocky person. And the world definitely doesn't like a cocky country, regardless of whether that country can back its claims up or not. So I agree with you there.

And what about the entire EU? Even in Ireland, we are dealing with immigrants, which a couple of decades ago would have been unheard of. America was a country built on immigration. It was the New World. People will always go where they think the money is because they believe they can have a share of it.

Well, admittedly, I'm pretty ignorant of the immigration status of most of the rest of the world. So, I guess whether or not more people want in than want out isn't a good judge of good a country is.

I think most people come here for opportunity. That and maybe a false sense that if they simply live here they will make a ton of money and get rich. Money isn't inherent here in the USA (we have oodles of poor people), however, opportunity is.

Don't get me wrong. The US as it is today, has done very well for itself in the short time that it has existed. I just feel sometimes when I look at your country, that maybe it moved too fast?

Yes, the US has done well for itself, but how long it can sustain its current condition is up for debate. You see, one of the reasons I believe the US prospered so much so fast was, 1) their commitment to founding this country on the basis of the Word of God and 2) the fact they had to work very hard to get here and make things happen.

As for number 1, we have moved more and more towards abolishing God from our country's workings that it won't be long before our currency no longer says "In God We Trust" but rather "Look What We Can Do"

As for number 2, it isn't hard to do anything in America anymore. Seriously. And because of this, we no longer appreciate what we have. We don't have to work very hard for prosperity and because of this, we will squander it away. People appreciate what they have to work hard for to attain.

My original point was that no one country has the right to doctrime another because of a superiority in wealth or might. Such a ruler is known as a tyrant.

Now I agree that we can't dictate the actions and doctrine of another country because of our superiority in wealth or might. BUT, I do believe that because of our superiority in wealth or might, we have a responsibility to the world to try and right wrongs, to protect those who can't protect themselves. The best example I can give is imagine you're walking down the street one night. Across the street you see someone walking in the opposite direction. As he passes you and is now behind you on the other side of the street, he gets attacked by someone hiding in the bushes. He may or may not scream for help. What do you do? You must go help. Put yourself in danger and come to his aid. And it helps you to make the decision if you know that you have been in the gym working out and are probably much stronger than any attacker.

This would be different than if you, as a strong person, just went around bullying people.

Now, after you have saved the man and his attacker has fled, don't you feel that it would be appropriate for you to tell him he shouldn't walk on that side of the street. I mean, come on, you just risked your well being for him. I think that is what the US is trying to do. Now, we can't come to everyone's aid all the time. And I understand that people think we just pick and choose who we want to help (and that is probably the truth), but we need to do at least something.

I hope I've made sense. This has been a good conversation and I don't want people to dislike the US. I love my country, and I'm glad that others love their country. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
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Now I agree that we can't dictate the actions and doctrine of another country because of our superiority in wealth or might. BUT, I do believe that because of our superiority in wealth or might, we have a responsibility to the world to try and right wrongs, to protect those who can't protect themselves. The best example I can give is imagine you're walking down the street one night. Across the street you see someone walking in the opposite direction. As he passes you and is now behind you on the other side of the street, he gets attacked by someone hiding in the bushes. He may or may not scream for help. What do you do? You must go help. Put yourself in danger and come to his aid. And it helps you to make the decision if you know that you have been in the gym working out and are probably much stronger than any attacker.

This would be different than if you, as a strong person, just went around bullying people.

Now, after you have saved the man and his attacker has fled, don't you feel that it would be appropriate for you to tell him he shouldn't walk on that side of the street. I mean, come on, you just risked your well being for him. I think that is what the US is trying to do. Now, we can't come to everyone's aid all the time. And I understand that people think we just pick and choose who we want to help (and that is probably the truth), but we need to do at least something.

Very good point. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But if you see someone in the bushes, that doesn't mean that they're going to attack someone... There's no need to rush ahead and jump into the bushes to prevent him from attacking someone.

Of course I understand the reasons for the Iraq invasion on the basis of it's population being threathened by a very evil man - it's exactly the picking and choosing that concerns me and also the political motivations behind the invasions. Afterall it's probably guaranteed Bush a re-election. And think about how the war came from nothing. Months after the hunt for Bin Laden runs cold, Bush decides to take a hard stance against the UN on the case of Iraq. In another few months weapons of mass destruction are found - and so it is logically decided that they are hidden. Time for attack. I just think that the timing of it all is too nice. I wouldn't be surprised if shortly before the next election, a cache of weapons is 'found'.

I believe in the fundamentals of the UN. I don't think that a case can exist where one member decides that it knows better than the rest.

As I said, you've made some very good points. I don't dislike America. I'm just concerned about your future role in society.

James
 
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