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Imposibilitiesof stop time

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I was thinking the other day in the posibilities of traveling in time, and my ideas begin to fly and reach to think in the posibilities (clasically) to stop the time. when i said stop the time, im thinking about of stop the time, all the things except me or you in the case.

1)if we stop the time, all the atoms stop, yes, stop vibrating so the temperature will be very very very low.

2)if we stop the time, all the photons stop, so they dont reflect, so we dont see anything.

3)if we stop the time, and we want to move ourselves, will be exactly like we moving so much faster than the other matter, so we cant move because the F=k(dx/dt) the resistance will be if not infinite very very very very huge.

so think on this and think in others and please write your thinks.

I think the rate of time, like velocity is relative. Like for example your house is stationary on the ground and so is your next door neighbour and all the trees etc so everything's still and not moving (excluding of course circular motion of a tree swaying in the wind) , right? Yes and no... They are only still, relative to each other.

As a matter of fact, we are on the surface of the Earth which itself is spinning at what is it?... Something over 1000km/hr anyway. The easiest ways to see this effect on things is a) The sun and sky movement (obviously) and b) Because the movement is rotational and not linear, the water goes down our drains clockwise/anticlockwise depending on what hemisphere you are in.

And on top of that, the Earth travels a massive distance around the sun once every year, and of course the very solar system is moving relative to other stars, the galaxy is moving relative to other galaxies and so forth...

Well you get the idea. Basically if we witness time 'stopped' it is only relative to us. To whatever is within the affected area time hasn't 'stopped', rather the surrounding area seems to have 'sped up'.

I remember reading a 'Choose Your Own Adventure' called the 'Black Hole' when I was a kid and when they are close to the Black Hole everything 'slows down' to them and they feel in slow motion. Thinking back to it now, it's quite funny, seeing that everything slowed down except their own consciousness.

But like you mentioned, perhaps the flow of light between these relatively fast/slow fields of time would be altered. From the outside looking in, perhaps it would look darker, with a red shift of light - While viewing from the inside, everything around may appear brighter and of a blue shift.

But, on feeling friction of sorts, what would happen were we to try and stick our hand through this field? Would there be an impenetrable barrier? Unlikely, on the other hand maybe the greater the relative time difference, the harder it may be to translate something through the two areas.

So say we do get our hand through. Would this mean the hand inside the field is living 'slower' than the rest of the field? This is where it starts to get a bit confusing. What if the field is so strong that for every second withing the field, a month passes outside? Because time is so differentiating, if we tried to pull our hand out we perhaps may not be able to, because relative to us time, hence motion within the field has slowed.

What if the field for whatever reason cannot be stopped, and rather than cutting the hand off you would rather live your life there with your hand stuck in this field. If you die, does this mean it would take 'years' before the hand inside the field starts rotting, even though it is directly connected to the rest of you??? Very perplexing. For every answer, it just seems there are 10 more questions!

-Raze

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hi, im Irving again, i think your position is very interesting and i agree with you in the part of one answer ten questions, i think in another posibilitie, but first i will delimit the sistem.

1)there are two zones of time, one goes faster than the other one, so this is like in one part slow motion, and in the other part fast motion, right?

2)there are a boundarie, this could be like a wall or a third zone, i mean, the time changes spontaneously from one zone to the other, or changes gradually?

now, whit this conditions, i had a question for you, what about if we put a photon (v=c) instead the hand, traveling from the slow zone to the fast zone, this photon will change his velocity from c to c + (delta)c v=c+(delta)c ?, or this photon will continue travel with the same velocity v=c ignoring the field?.

in the other hand, what if we are in the fast zone and we see a photon in the slow zone, we see the photon traveling slower than the normally, so we had a photon whit velocity diferent from c, this is light whitout lightspeed, light slower than light.

so the same way but we on the slow zone and now we see a photon on the fast zone, this means light faster than light?

In conclusion, we have two options:

1) the light dont seems to be afected by the field

or

2) the speed of light c is no more a constant.

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This is an interesting thought...

Yeah the 'fast/slow areas of time pretty much hits the nail on the head with what I'm thinking of, of course remembering they are only travelling fast and slow relative to each other, looking from one to a point of reference in the other area.

Going slightly off topic for a moment, people often say in unison how 'fast' or 'slow' the day is going. Does this mean there is an actual fluctuation in the flow of time in the given area of space/time?

Unlikely... The reason why a group of people in unison say this is usually because they share the similar experience (e.g workplace, place of study, social gathering etc) and the nature of the human mind is that the more you are focused on things going on, the more 'busy' you are or the more fun a time you are having, the faster time seems to pass.

Of course, this is an interesting illusion, time is still at a constant. Remember when we sleep, assuming we can't remember our dreams, it often may seem as though no time passed at all, and you are almost guaranteed to *never* remember the exact moment you fall asleep. It's all the way the human mind works and corresponds with different levels of consciousness and how it interprets the rate at which time flows.

Now, where were we? Oh yeah... Let's think about these two fields of time in neighbouring space, but passing time at different rates. Depending on how the field is, there will most likely be a gradual transition between the two rates of time. e.g From a point of reference outside the time field, surrounding time passes at 1 second a second. If the time within the center of the field passes at a relative 1/4 second a second this may mean for example the rate of time halfway through the tansition area would be 1/2 a second a second, assuming a linear transition.

As for a photon passing through the field either way, the actual speed of the light should remain constant (relative that local area) at least. If a particle is travelling out from within the field it may from the outside move slowly at first, then as it leaves the field gradually approach normal speed, while to iteself it is always travelling at c.

This means when it reaches the eye of an outside observer the particle should be at its original speed again, except that it just took slightly longer to get there from it's source than it normally would have. Now if things are relatively slower in the field from outside, let's say a torch shines from inside there, this means relative to us the photons would be released at a slower rate.

If all the above is true, then perhaps this implies that there will no red-shift at all of a slowing photon (remember it will be travelling at c again relative to us once outside the field). But what this may mean only is that because of increased time between released photons, things from inside the field would simply seem darker. Going by all this, from the inside of the field looking out it's simply vice-versa.

-Raze

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Yes, i think that is a good solution to the problem, i mean the idea of the velocitie constant and the ratio of emmiting photons diferent its a very good idea, by the way, i had a new great problem.

what if you had a two entangled particles, now, you put one in the slow-zone of the field and the other on the fast-zone of the field and you change one characteristic of any of the particles (polarization, spin, ...) the interaction. is instantaneous too in this system?

About the other part of your message, you know, the part of the time, i think is something like you are feeling good, the time pass fast or seems to past fast, you are feeling bad, the time past slow or seems to pass slow, i had a theory for this effect, but only is the begining of the theory and i am thinking about this thing yet, any way, when i had something, i tell you, in all ways, the phenomenon is very interesting.

Irving

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I can sorta see what you're getting at (I *think*) - Forgive me, I only studied science up to Year 11 Physics in High School so I'm not a full-bottle on entangled particles and their spin/polarity! But I'll think about this now...

Do you mean one particle's effect on the other, and how *long* the effect takes? Hey, you could almost think of this time field for a good anology - A fast flowing river. The river flows in the direction of the time zone that is relatively slower. What this means is that someone swimming at a constant speed against the flow (i.e a particle) would take longer, And swimming with the current would take less time.

Of course this anology isn't wholly accurate, but it is a good way of picturing the time it takes particles/energy to pass through either way of the field.

So I'm assuming by entangled particles, correct me if I'm wrong, you mean two particles that would under normal circumstances be directly affected by effects on either.

When you say one particle is in the 'slower' area and the other particle is in the 'faster' area does this imply they are connected on some quantum level or something, seeing as they must be at some physical distance for this to be the case?

-Raze