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Infra Red Photons

Leonard

Timekeeper
To Whom this may concern:

When a strip of metal is struck many times by a hammer, the metal
strip will emit infra red photons or heat rays. Where do these emitted
photons come from? The photons do not come from the hammer. The photons
may come from space-time. Photons may be waves in space-time. Photons
can appear as waves or as particles.

See my new science home page at:
http://spots.ca/~belfroy/TSScience.html Enter ,
or http://www.spots.ab.ca/~belfroy/ .
It will have some ideas and experiments on time travel and free energy.
 
Leonard the reason E=Mc2 works, as defined as a frequency realm is due to hidden photonic structures, known to be within mass.

This is no big secret, however more commonly known, as mass without changed phase state, can never exceed its own assigned frequency realm.

So the proponents that you purport within infer-red phtonic impulse being emitted from beaten metal, should in some aspect support this well know deduction.

There is also the proposal that beating metal with a hammer stricken, may in some way, bend interdimsnional proponents?This is so that photonic sources notes, may possibly come from one or more dimensions?

Thank you very much for brining this info, to our attention.

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"When a strip of metal is struck many times by a hammer, the metal
strip will emit infra red photons or heat rays. Where do these emitted
photons come from?"


The energy is created by the friction of the two objects hitting together. The light that seems to come out of nowhere is actually the metal losing it's mass, and being turned into something we can physically see (heat, light, ect).
 
Rad' this is radiant energy.

What Leonard is referring to, are photon sources, after the mass has been struck.

We are not talking thermodynamic transfer of energy from mass, were are talking measurable photons from other source?

To prove my point you look at the top of a black hole via 1980's Hawking subgroup information and you find infer-red measured at the top poles of a black hole.

The mass almost relatively stays the same, however what is causing the heating at the top of the black hole poles?

It is the animation return heat signgnature, from matter being torn a'part, returning from another scalier port in space?

I'm sure that this is what Leonard is trying to intimate.

"Does this have practical applications in energy transference?Yes Rad' I defiantly feel that it does....?

(You remind me of John Lennon somehow, your pic).

Due respect'
 
I don't understand you sometimes. Oh well.

"To prove my point you look at the top of a black hole via 1980's Hawking subgroup information and you find infer-red measured at the top poles of a black hole. The mass almost relatively stays the same, however what is causing the heating at the top of the black hole poles? It is the animation return heat signgnature, from matter being torn a'part, returning from another scalier port in space?"

Material orbits a black hole. If it happens to be gas and dust, this matter experiences friction and heats up as some of the orbital energy of the gas is converted into heat. The closer the material is to the black hole, the more rapidly it orbits so that the greater is the heating effect. Just before it reaches the Event Horizon, this matter can be heated by friction to thousands of degrees which is enough to produce X-rays. Even higher temperatures approaching a million degrees can occur which can produce gamma rays.

Also:

The gravitational tidal force is so strong that it pulls the matter and anti- matter particles apart before they have time to combine and disappear. One of the particles can escape while the other is dragged into the black hole and vanishes forever. The gravitational field of the black hole has exerted energy on the particle pair allowing one member of the pair to be promoted from a virtual particle to a real particle which escapes to infinity. The energy lost by the black hole to do this work comes at the expense of lowering the total mass of the black hole, and so the black hole evaporates. Because small black holes have a stronger tidal zone than massive ones, as the black hole mass shrinks, it becomes more effective in shearing virtual particle pairs, and so the pace of the evaporation increases.
 
Raidzuo>Material orbits a black hole. If it happens to be gas and dust, this matter experiences friction and heats up as some of the orbital energy of the gas is converted into heat. The closer the material is to the black hole, the more rapidly it orbits so that the greater is the heating effect. Just before it reaches the Event Horizon, this matter can be heated by friction to thousands of degrees which is enough to produce X-rays. Even higher temperatures approaching a million degrees can occur which can produce gamma rays.

Creedo 299, No I'm sorry this is not correct.

The orbitals are tenuous to say the least.

You side-stepped my stamentment about space time folds near the relative poles of BHes.

The Halking material clearly demonstrates a fold, of division in space time.

If things worked out the way you say, then BHes would be low gravity phenomenon, to where mechanics were circuitous and not regular, with respects to high gravity.

You,...do not understand BH mechanist, I'm sorry to say....?

Radizuo>The gravitational tidal force is so strong that it pulls the matter and anti- matter particles apart before they have time to combine and disappear. One of the particles can escape while the other is dragged into the black hole and vanishes forever. The gravitational field of the black hole has exerted energy on the particle pair allowing one member of the pair to be promoted from a virtual particle to a real particle which escapes to infinity. The energy lost by the black hole to do this work comes at the expense of lowering the total mass of the black hole, and so the black hole evaporates. Because small black holes have a stronger tidal zone than massive ones, as the black hole mass shrinks, it becomes more effective in shearing virtual particle pairs, and so the pace of the evaporation increases.

EDIT INSERT>Raidzuo>The energy lost by the black hole to do this work comes at the expense of lowering the total mass of the black hole, and so the black hole evaporates. Because small black holes have a stronger tidal zone than massive ones, as the black hole mass shrinks, it becomes more effective in shearing virtual particle pairs, and so the pace of the evaporation increases.

Creedo 299>No' your offering long term dynamics of a BH which nobody cares about right now.

Everyone knows that in time they fade away, like a snowball.

I'm making reference to active dynamics, which would mean per-day and how particles and raw energy would react when intr droduced to polarity, not tidal forces on BHes.

Polarity is everything in BHes as this defines injestion manifolds.

This is what Horowitz and his sub.investigation group, out of Halking had discovered long ago.

If you go by tidal forces, then this means any shape and size, which could mean anything?

This is like comparing the gothic architecture of the New York Post Office as compared to a modern sky scraper in mid Los Angeles.

The two don't fit.

I'm not trying to raz you here, however your descriptions of BHes are abject as well as murky.

Again, sorry.

REGULAR BODY COPY CONTINUES>Creedo 299>No I'm sorry to say that your second paragraph is incorrect also.

There are no tidal forces per say on BHes, however a clear demarcation line, only of which matter can not infract.

What you're describing here is more like a super giant gas planet, rather than a BH.

I have private mail, if you wish to discuss your errors here?

Sorry.
 
"No I'm sorry this is not correct. The orbitals are tenuous to say the least. You side-stepped my stamentment about space time folds near the relative poles of BHes. The Halking material clearly demonstrates a fold, of division in space time. If things worked out the way you say, then BHes would be low gravity phenomenon, to where mechanics were circuitous and not regular, with respects to high gravity. You,...do not understand BH mechanist, I'm sorry to say....?... No' your offering long term dynamics of a BH which nobody cares about right now. Everyone knows that in time they fade away, like a snowball. I'm making reference to active dynamics, which would mean per-day and how particles and raw energy would react when intr droduced to polarity, not tidal forces on BHes. Polarity is everything in BHes as this defines injestion manifolds. This is what Horowitz and his sub.investigation group, out of Halking had discovered long ago. If you go by tidal forces, then this means any shape and size, which could mean anything? This is like comparing the gothic architecture of the New York Post Office as compared to a modern sky scraper in mid Los Angeles. The two don't fit. I'm not trying to raz you here, however your descriptions of BHes are abject as well as murky... Again, sorry. No I'm sorry to say that your second paragraph is incorrect also. There are no tidal forces per say on BHes, however a clear demarcation line, only of which matter can not infract. What you're describing here is more like a super giant gas planet, rather than a BH. I have private mail, if you wish to discuss your errors here? Sorry."

This is not like me. I am sorry for doing this. I could never comprehend your posts here, so I had to test your knowledge. I thought perhaps that I didn't understand you. I thought you were being vague, and I could not read into it all. Maybe you were using jargon, or even had bad grammer...

Whatever the case, my responses above were both taken from research papers. The fact that you repeatidly point out that I have no idea about what I am saying is absurd. Perhaps you should take it up with mr. Hawking. One of the papers was based upon Steven Hawkings very popular and widely believed (as science fact) discovery in 1975, about black holes, and how they lose their mass. The other paper is about how black holes emit infra red, and gamma radiation; also accepted as fact by the scientific community. Again let me remind you, my responses were copied and then pasted. written by experts on the subject. These duplications were not taken out of context by me, or anyone else.

I don't know what kind of person you are, but I've seen enough of your posts to calculate what type of response you're going to give. I suggest examining what I've said so far, and coming to terms that it is fact, not something I made up. Regardless of your response, I will not be giving you the same courtesy. I am done with this topic. I am tarnishing the spirit of this post.

My intention was to clarify Leonards questions, the jumbled responses you gave to him, and deliver to him the facts. I think I have suceeded. That is all.
 
Raidzuo>One of the papers was based upon Steven Hawkings very popular and widely believed (as science fact) discovery in 1975, about black holes, and how they lose their mass. The other paper is about how black holes emit infra red, and gamma radiation; also accepted as fact by the scientific community. Again let me remind you, my responses were copied and then pasted. written by experts on the subject. These duplications were not taken out of context by me, or anyone else.

I don't know what kind of person you are, but I've seen enough of your posts to calculate what type of response you're going to give. I suggest examining what I've said so far, and coming to terms that it is fact, not something I made up. Regardless of your response, I will not be giving you the same courtesy. I am done with this topic. I am tarnishing the spirit of this post.

My intention was to clarify Leonard's questions, the jumbled responses you gave to him, and deliver to him the facts. I think I have succeeded. That is all

Creedo 299>So as not to get into it.

Leonard's post had to do with immediate energy needs.

They always do.

You post, right or wrong have to do with long term mechanics of black holes.

This is why your response make no immediacy to Leonard's post.

This would be like having my quartz watch fixed and there is a defect in the quartz wafer in the watch.

I can have a part replaced or the quartz restructured and this is my choice.

Out of curiosity I ask, "how long to fix the quartz" and the watch repair man says, oh about a thousand years..?

This does not meet the needs of the situation.

You also did not mention the title of this paper.

The 80s information discovered the Horowitz sub group,which was one of many groups on BH issues, was hallmark; so much so that a key science writer had composed a very careful book on what the Hawking subgoup had found.

Your say does not make any diffidence here.I wish you peace, have no ax to grind with you.

One suggestion however if your hobnobbing with astrophysicist people, in references to BHes, I would not use the term tidal.

What you've said right there, is that Fynamen's work on QED as it relates to black holes, is out the window?

For me a photograph here, I would attend a coffer, brush myself up a bit and wear a smile.

Nobody agreed with Swift Info, but atleast the guy put a suet and tie, with a very nice smile on?
 
Re: Concession to Raidzuo

I am sorry, I feel that there is nothing to tarnish.

I look at black holes as a solid state semi electrical affair, where the effects of matter are more immediate.

The work I had quoted was 1980s, not 1975 as you had said.

I apologize and should not have surmised that you had a chip on your should.

Sorry, Dan

You have a nice jaw line, take a better photo and smile this time.

It seems at times we are such miserable asses here.Maybe a nice photo would cheer us all up?
 
To Time Travel Institute Readers:

When an electron receives light photons, the orbit radius of the electron of the atom
suppose to increase. The electron then may release an infra red photon or photons and decrease
in orbit radius. When the metal strip is struck with a steel hammer, the hammer should not
transmit photons to the metal. The atoms in the strip being hit absorb the impact from the hammer,
and the electrons may increase orbit radii. These electrons may then release the energy
as infra red photons. The photons may not come from the hammer but photons may be electric
charges in space-time or waves in space-time much like musical sound waves in air.


Leonard
 
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