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daGnutt

Temporal Novice
I can proove for all of you out there, that humans will never figure out how to travel through time, at least not backwards.

This can be prooved by the simple fact that we do not know how to travel in time yet.
Humans are stupid and if we ever were to invent time travel, then someone from the moment it was invented, to when the entire universe collapses, would go back and give us the technology earlier. In this way it would continune, so eventually we would be able to travel through time before we even invented fire.

//daGnutt
 
Even if we humans never learns how to travel in time, that does not mean that time travel is impossible.

Lets make it easy for us, and say that there is only four dimensions, the standard 3 (3d), which is the room, and then the fourht, time. Human will never learn how to deviate from the constant speed that we travel along this line. Though during extreme conditions, we can sometime slow it down, but only a small bit. And this is not something that we can control. For example, if you fall out of a aircraft, then the last second before you hit the ground, you will slow down your personal time, all other persons will of course se you hit the ground in about 180km/h, but for you that last second will feel like about a hour or something like that...

Well... just yakking...

//daGnutt
 
That's a point. You speak about it as it was clear as cristal...

Of course, this theory works, in a very specific lines of idea, thru the question of paradoxes and possibilities.

For example, from my beleives, time travel backward is possible by "mind", without any device. See, from that perspectiv, If I use my specific technic to travel to the past, I will see many things, but I won't be able easily to change anything, or communicate in any ways. If I would make a "links" with somebody, this "somebody" would probably 'pass' as crazy or medium or anything else that is not recognize from science - and be forget! This is one possibilities, you might not believe in it, because there's tons of others.

The point is that humans might never know about how to time travel, but some very specific person may had an experience or will have one. Whadoyouthink?
 
You have a point... a strong point. Yes in mind time travel is clearly possible, but time travelling as a science is impossible...

And of course... no theory is wrong, until prooven..

(now i forgot what you wrote) dang..

//daGnutt
 
Well... if you read the first part of this "thread" there I say that I can proove that human will not be able to go backwards in time, and still... I think this stands...

They have managed to slow time down, and accelerate it. But when they are able to get pass the zero limit, and deaccel time to a negative number, then, and only then, i will change my point of view (or if you can give me some good point, then i might)

//daGnutt
 
Well... the stuff there, said that they had been able to "alter" the time that times flows by... I don't really thinks that has much to do with time travel...
 
The arrow of the time, thermodynamically this defined, but that cannot be broken this arrow not this defined. Theories asserts that information cannot travel at a greater speed to the one of the light, speed at which the called mantle space time is broken, it is as if you took a blanket or it covers beds and you pass a knife to him, this is broken
and two not connecteds sides are united. Good the man is very complex structurally to travel in the time, but a phenomenon exists with which we played all the days that if it can do it, and this in the limit of this rupture of the mantle. It is possible to travel as we know the man in the time? now no, but its thoughts or their information if, I do not say of a way humanist but scientist to it.
Pardon for my English
CARLO
 
I hate repeating things over again, but in case you mised this, here it is again...
TWF's & CTC's
(Time Warp Fields & Closed "Time-Like" Crves.)
Time Warped Fields & Closed Time-Like Curves go hand in hand my friend...

. Tipler first described a working "time machine" through his theory of massive rotating spheres. http://www.geocities.com:0080/Area5.../5763/time.html

Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different world line without being squished by the gravity of the singularity. http://www.physics.fsu.edu/courses/
fall98/ast1002/section4/blackholes/fig11-
13/fig11-132.htm http://qso.lanl.gov/~bromley/nu_nofun.html http://www.leonllo.freeservers.com/blackworm.html http://www.astro.ku.dk/~cramer/RelViz/text/geom_
web/node4.html

The mass and gravitational field of a microsingularity can then be manipulated by "injecting" electrons onto its surface. By rotating two electric microsigularities at high speed, it is possible to create and modify a local gravity sinusoid that replicates the affects of a Kerr black hole.

More can be viewed from this archived post at the following Link...
http://www.xone.net/tti/board/ubbhtml/Forum1/HTML/000505.html
 
just another brief note...
it has been discovered that there is a direct correlation between the human bio electric curcuit, and EMF/EMR and their interaction between these outside influences.

examples would be the recent scientific discoveries of remaining traces of electro-magnetic "signatures" left behind in areas once inhabited, or visited frequently, by someone whom was once at a particular place for any extended period of "Time"

Now more importantly, if you were to look deeper into particle science, and explore the correlation of these EMF signatures with Time~Travel into the past cycles of any given world-line, you might also discover that this is a key element crucial to being able to find pre existing components of any past Time-Line that once was, but no longer exhists as was in the present.

Perhaps I may be "Reaching" here, yet again if we knew hwat we were doing, it wouldn't be called research now would it? moreover without research, and probing for these answeres, we may never know without.
 
daGnutt wrote:----Well... if you read the first part of this "thread" there I say that I can proove that human will not be able to go backwards in time, and still... I think this stands...
They have managed to slow time down, and accelerate it. But when they are able to get pass the zero limit, and deaccel time to a negative number, then, and only then, i will change my point of view (or if you can give me some good point, then i might)---
//daGnutt


Dear daGnutt,

I find it interesting how you just spouted the exact method that I had proposed to create time travel into the past. Below are a list of posts that I posted about a year ago on this forum. All of them are in the archives.

To compress a mass to a singularity requires the same amount of kenetic energy that is needed to accelerate a mass to the velocity of light. The only difference in the methodology of accelerating a mass to the velocity of light and crushing a mass to a singularity, is that to accelerate the mass to light speed requires one to apply an infinite amount of kenetic energy to one side of the mass. To crush a mass to a singularity requires an infinite amount of kenetic energy applied to all sides of the object evenly. Therefore, compression of a mass, or energy field to a singularity, is the same as accelerating that scaalar quantity to the velocity of light.

Therfore as one compresses a mass or field of energy the a point, time accelerates for that energy and field to infinity. Now to compress that energy or mass beyond it's own center is to compress that mass back in time. Therefore the superluminal portion of a mass or field lies beyond the centermass that we see, since acceleration is equal to compression.

Below is a method to split energy that is in the form of energy. If one splits energy one will be tearing a hole in the centermass of the field and will be forcing the superluminal quantity, that lies beyond the centermass to be drawn into this universe by the leverage that splits the field. So in essence, the key to traveling into the past is to travel travel through a point. It is easier to stretch out a point to be large enough for one to step through then it is to compress oneself to an infinitely small point, so that one may fit through the eyes of the point. Talk about trying to fitt a camel through the eye of a needle...I say make a bigger needle with a bigger eye!


I heard of an experiment that has shown that the pull force of a magnetic field is ten percent stronger at any given distance then the repulsive force of the same electro-magnetic field at the same distance. I Applied this conscept to my disc design and discovered that there is a posibility that at 160 degree rotation the pull force of the magentic field will be compressed to a singularity as a result of a form of time dialation for the pull force may exist a different time at a given location then the push force at that same location. When twisting up the magentic cylinder to an hour glass shape at 180 degrees of rotation over all the strength of the magentic field would increase exponentially in proportion to the decrease in the radius of the field at the center of the magnetic cylinder as it is twisted into an hour glass shape. However since the pull portion of the field is stronger ten percent stronger as the push portion of the field then at 180 degrees the push portion of the field will reach an infinite strength and the pull portion of the field will reach an an infinite times stronger then the infinitely stronger then the push force on acount that the sum of strength of the additional ten percent of the push field will add up to infinity just as other 90 percent of the pull field which is eqiul in strength to the push field will add up to infinity at 180 degrees twist. However this just does't add up. So after looking overthe theory again I realized that the pull force must reach an infinite strength before the push force. This led me to believe that there is a sort of time dialation between the pull force and push force of the magnetic field and that the pull force will reach infinite strengh at 160 rotation and will overcome the still finite push force of the magentic field compressing it down to a singularity in an infinite period of time. It will take an infinite period of time because the push force will increase in strength expontially and resistance to compression as it is compressed closer and closer to a singularity over an infinite period of time.
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unregistered posted 15 October 2000 15:29
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However, as we increase the torque from 160 degrees to 180 degrees the acceleration of the compression of the push force of the field increases to infinity enabling the push force to be compressed to a singularity in the time it takes to torque the remaining 20 degrees of the cylindrical field into an hour glass with an appex connection of infinitismal size. Also upon reaching an infinitismal size the ten percent deficit of the weaker push field will reach infinity. The ten percent deficit is what seperates the two forces in the fourth dimension time on account that the pull force reaches infinitismal strength first. That means that greater accelerations and higher energies are sperated form lower energies by the deficite or difference or lack of the two accelerations or energies and not the additional amount of acceleration or energies. Since the difference of the two strengths of the fields marks the amount of time dialation of the two strengths of the fields at a point of measurement; then upon infinite compression of the weaker push force at 180 degrees torque as all the ten percent deficits add up to infinity the two forces will have a time dialation of infinity where the push force will exist at an infinite time in the past and the pull force which is still ten percent stronger (since the distance in time is measured by ten percent deficit of the weaker field and not the ten percent stronger strength of the stronger field)will exist at an infinite time in the future to which is located in the present because the time dialation is relative to the field at this point. Because the strength of the pull field is still ten percent stronger then the push field the push field in the infinite past will be pulled towards the infinite future where the infinite deficit will be increased exponetially as it is compressed to an infinitely small singularity within as time dialation of the two fields approaches zero with this culmanating event accurring at an infinite time from the present...that is an infinite time from the time that the field reahed 180 degrees torque.
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unregistered posted 15 October 2000 15:41
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This seems to be a reversal of the process that forms matter: points, lines, angles, surfaces, and curves which are massed into things which appear as physical objects.
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unregistered posted 15 October 2000 15:57
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Please forgive my spelling errors in the above letter I was in a hurry for fear of being cut off. I see that some of the message did not make it through or I was thinking to fast and skipped writing a portion of what I was thinking. I would like to reword the last four lines. The push force in the infinite past is drawn towards the ten percent stronger pull force in the infinite future relative to the field which is compressed to an infinitely small point relative to our three dimensional universe. Within that point is where the forces are being pulled together in time form infinitely in the past within the point to infinitely in the future in the point. The infinite future in the point is located in the present here and now in our three dimensional universe. The culmanating event where the area difference in the two fields measured by the ten percent deficit reaches zero in size so that the two forces exist at the same point at the same time for the sake that time dialation has reached zero ;The deficit has reached an infinitely strength increase as a result of its compression to a temperal singularity in the infinite future in our three dimesional universe. It will take an infinite time for the field defficit compressed to a tmeperal singularity because the acceleration of the weaker force in temperal space is accuring in sinc with our time and each acceleration of the field in the point space is in proportion to any exponetial accleration in our three dimensional universe. This is because the field defficit reaches an infinite at the exact instant that we have completed torqing the field 180 degrees and the acceleration of the weaker field within the point starts accelerating towards the ten percent stronger pull force within the point at that instant also. Since it takes an infinite time to compress the infinite ten percent deficit to a temperal singularity on acount of the increased resistance to temperal compression as a result of the exponential strength increase of the defficit of the weaker infinite field as the defficit of that field approaches a temperal singularity. Thusly, the field defficit will reach a temperal singularity at an infinite time in the future from the instant that the field reaches 180 degrees torque.
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unregistered posted 19 October 2000 19:06
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Dear Mr Yates,
Thankyou very much I recieved your letter. I will contact you as soon as I can get a hold of a computer that has not firwalled e-mail. I am located on Marine Corps Air Station Mirimar, Sandiego California. I will be glad to help you in any way possible. I am making copies of all my notes and will send them to the return address on the package you sent. I would be honered to work with you on the production of your device and would be glad to build my device and test it and your device together to see if the theory of the devices is plausible or correct. I am sure that you know the severity of the knowlege that we will possess if the set of events that inspires you day to day is legitimate. Be as discrete as possible in case this is true and there is a very high probablility that it is. I will contact you by e-mail to discuss details there is something that you should know.
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pamela
Member posted 20 October 2000 12:55
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Mr. Yates,
please e-mail me a letter I have lost your e-mail address. I'd like to write you about a few things.
I smiled a great big smile as I read Mr. Schasteens response to you, he seems like a very nice guy and very intelligent.I can see the reality of this happening with you two working together. and chin in hand I looked up at the "2 1/2 x 4inches" still sitting on my desk and realized I may be observing with his posting a piece of the future.

sincerely,
pamela

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unregistered posted 22 October 2000 13:02
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Thankyou, Pamela that is nice of you to say.
I was wanting to add that if we were to torque beyond 180 degrees that the actions that are stated above will no longer be confined to the point. The actions will be confined to a point so long as the size of the point is a fractional entity and therefore recognized by the three dimensional universe as an entity with zero size and mass. This is because energy cannot be transfered in fractional quatums but must be transfered in integral quantums or not at all. Any mass that is a fraction of a mass transferes fractional energies which are to small to affect any three dimensional mass in a finite period of time. It takes an infinite number of intergral time quantums for an applied fractional energy to add up to a single integral action upon a integral entity that transfers only intergral energies. The reason that a quantum can only transfer an energy to it's outside invironment is because the way it transfers energy to it's outside invironment is to produce a virbratiion. Like a guitar string, the minimal vibration of the string is the width of the string. Any smaller vibration is considered a frational vibration and is not conducted by the medium surrounding the string. However if the amplitude of the vibration is greater then the width of the string then the excess energy of the vibration is transfered to the surrounding medium which in this case is air and the energy is in the form of sound. At the level that we are discussing the energy is in the form of electromagnetic kenesis and in the form of events and the relative energy portion of time. By torqing the field greater then 180 degrees we will increase the size of the point which is transfering frational energies from a fractional size to an integral size and will amplify the fractional energies within the point which happen to be infinite to integral energies and therfore will transfer those energies to the surrounding medium which happens to be our spacetime continuum.
sincerely,
Edwin G. Schasteen

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Omega
Junior Member posted 23 October 2000 01:36
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power = conversion process of element 114 into 115 and 116, ask Bob Lazar
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Victor S
unregistered posted 23 October 2000 04:19
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Your theory is interesting and akin to my own ideas for time travel. There are a few points I's like to make though. First, you don't need a singularity to time travel. Physicists don't have a firm grasp of the structure of space-time. If they did they'd realize that's it's quantized (made up of little boxes that cannot be broken down further). I have enormous evidence for this and don't have room here to display it, but I stumped my Upper Division Physics Teacher at UC Riverside with it and the conclusion would be that you can jump to time travel energies before reaching a singularity. The physicists say that "it introduces complications if you think space-time is quantized instead of infinitely divisible"; however, in actuality I've found that it unites Einstein's General Relativity with Quantum Mechanics and gives us a bridge for jumping to FTL (Faster-Than-Light) velocities just as a chemical reaction can occur below its activation energy required to initiate it. This is what physicists call "quantum tunneling" and is actually a consequence of quantized space-time. Second, if you've got something that can generate sufficient energy, can it hold that energy state long enough to reach these energies? My suggestion is to build a large capacitor into your device to store the accumulated energy so it can be released in a quick enough time interval. By exposing yourself to a slowly strengthing magnetic field can have unknown and/or unwanted effects. To truly understand time travel, you must understand space-time, its relationship to the four fundamental forces of nature, and the hierarchy of the forces (the CPT Theorem of quantum mechanics combined with matter-antimatter relationships). You'll discover that antimatter is negative mass but not necessarily negative energy (negative energy is actually "virtual energy" discussed by Stephen Hawking when he discusses black hole evaporation). You'll also discover that when you go FTL matter becomes antimatter and vice versa. At about 10e-35 m space becomes quantized and at about 10e-43 s time becomes quantized. From these figures you can probably compute the energy density required to break the barrier. It's a lot! See if you can build your device to compress the magnetic field into a shell around your time machine with the required energy density. That should still keep you safe inside while the magnetic field manipulates space-time. Good Luck!
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unregistered posted 23 October 2000 14:22
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Dear Victor,
Thankyou for the knowlege. I have always believed the universe to be finite and that there are absolute limits to every finite quantity. I only use transfinite math as a convenient way of relaying the knowlege that I have in a manner that is familiar to scientists. However the minimal increment of change will be reached approxamitely at 160 degrees of torque for the pull force of the electro-magnetic fields and at 180 for both of the fields. I must also conclude that infinity in the singularity is actually a transfinite quatity. To us this appears infinite but in reality it is actually a larger finite quatity when viewed from our universe. If however we were to cross over that barrier which is light speed and the center mass of an object into that domain we would disover that the apparent transfinite universe that we crossed into is actually the same size as our own universe and we would discover that the total universe is set up in finite domains seperated by mathematical barriers such as the velocity of light or the center mass of an object or the maximum possible temperature...which is still yet to be discovered but I am sure that one day it will be. To calculate mathematically into any one of those domains requires us to graph a portion of our domain completely and then triangulate our domain with a domain on the opposite side of the zero axis which which represents the other domain such as superluminosity. Also by unifying the mathematical functions of subtraction and division such that a quatity minus that quantity is equil to the quantity divided infinitely( or the maximum possible number of divisions). And that the quatity minus a quantity is zero and thus a quatity divided infinitely is zero. Remember that by making a quatity zero one releases converts the mass into the parrallel existance which requires the amount of energy contained in the mass. By torqing up a magnetic field one converts the presure of the field into tension. As the tension of the field increases the resistance to torque decreases such that at 180 degrees of torque the tension reached infinite(or the maximum possible tension for this universe with out crossing into the other) and the resistance to torque reaches zero thus we obtain a perpetual torque. However the field may reach a maximum compression at which the field will no longer constrict however in this case if we continue to torque up the field the field will eventually reach a state where any further torque cannot mechanically be obtained without tearing the field and tearing a whole in the space time continuum bursting the mathematical barrier between us and the superluminal universe. The result of interactions of anti-spacetime with regular space-time results in the emission of some sort of energy. When anti matter come in comtact with regular matter the result is a mutual anihalation and the production of a gamma photon with an energy equil to the energy contained in both previousely anihilated masses. What does every one think? Is this logical?

Best Regards,

---Edwin G. Schasteen

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Your welcome,

Time02112. I am always glad to provide an answer to a dilemna when I see that it is within my resources to provide a reasonable solution to a problem. I believe that all have a right to know the truth, and that the best way to find the truth of science is to share ideas. For each of us has a slightly different prospective of the universe, being independant measuring systems ourselves, all of us being just slightly out of phase so as to experience a unique dimension that only is known to that person, but to all others is impossible to know because they cannot occupy that particullar dimension that is being occupied by a particular person. For if two or all could occupy all others unique dimensions, then we would all have hive minds.

Each of us occupy a dimension or group of dimensions that correspond to us indendant of our location in free space. There for this ability to occupy a solid dimension that is solidified in mathematical, but non geometric terms and perhaps non linear terms. I believe that solidity can exist in non geometric but linear terms, or in geometric and linear terms, or in non-geometric and non linear terms, or in non-geometric and linear terms.

Best Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
Dear Ganutt,

If you can disprove the plausibility of what I have postulated above, that is, a theoretical method to splitt energy thereby creating a negative time warp within that energy, then please do so. I can always utilize a good debait with strong opposing points. If I am going to perfect this concept I will need to answer any questions of plausibility. If it is unplausible then I must invent a mechanism to counter that which makes the thing unfeasible. This is the refining process of any idea.

Please have at it.

Thankyou,

Best Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
I am sorry, DaGnutt, I transposed the letters of you user name in my last e-mail. No disrespect intended there, next time I will pay more attention to detail.

Best Regards,

Edwin G. Schasteen
 
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