Stand up who can physically travel through time!

NATAS_999_SYADDNE

Chrono Cadet
Ok there seems to be a few people here who claim to have a time machine and travel anywhere.

Now i dont believe them,not many sane people would believe them,but i am open enough to see if they are telling the truth,
i dont know how you work it but i can give you my address,and i invite any so called time traveller to nip in and nip out again,and ill post here in this thread all about it.

So what info do you need to timetravel in and out of my home?,whatever it is ill be willing to share that info,after that ill believe anything.
 
So let me see if I understand you correctly Natas, you are willingly asking for a “Time Traveler” to show up at your door and introduce him self to you
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Haha
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, are you sure about that?

Careful what you wish for Natas, you just might get it. But not in the naive way your thinking it will happen.

You may consider your self to being quite scientifically logical in matters of Time Travel. Very well, grant it that you are, and I’m glad you find comfort in what you know. However, I am the TTA and I am quite logical in matters of their manipulation, and their nature.

Therefore let me just give you this bit of information to help you along your way; you have no idea what your inviting to “nip in and nip out” (whatever the hell that means) nor will you be prepared as to what opening Pandora’s box will entitle for your soul. You’ll soon see what I mean.

You say you are 22 years old, so am I. It seems that you can quite possibly be the TTA’s exact opposite. With that said, everyone knows what my agenda is and why I like to argue, I’m wondering
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what’s yours?

-TTA
 
Remember im british and nip in and nip out is just a another way of saying appear and dissapear in my living room or whatever.

My motive is quiet clear,im willing to give details of where i am at,if there is a time traveller out there willing to appear in front of my face then let him come forward.

Showing up at my front door may not be much of an accomplishment
as anyone here could use info i give to get on a plane and simply walk to my address,granted that person has gone to great lengths to fool me,but what would his intentions be once hes standing at my door?

So id need some good evidence,and simply appearing in my living room without open invite at the door,would(to my mind) be proof.

I do know what i am inviting,and technically it should have already happened the moment i made the invite,i mean the person could appear in my past 2 days ago before im writing this,if it is to be believed.

But maybe they have,but im not necessarily part of that time line so im not gonna witness it,only the other me in a parrallel dimension will see it at all,and he cant tell me!

Time travel may be an oxymoron for outside observers,only the time traveller will witness anything.

In fact that is probably the case,as in a fixed timeline there would be too many paradoxes,in a non fixed timeline a time traveller is the only observer of change.
My relative position here may remain unchanged and as such i would not witness any proof.
 
NATAS, you said:
<<Time travel may be an oxymoron for outside observers,only the time traveller will witness anything. In fact that is probably the case,as in a fixed timeline there would be too many paradoxes,in a non fixed timeline a time traveller is the only observer of change.My relative position here may remain unchanged and as such i would not witness any proof.>>

I think I can best answer this, by recounting the details of my day today as an example…

As told from the TTA to his friends
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This was a day of tortuous synchronistic manipulation for the TTA.

Let me tell you friends, today was complete and utter sabotage from the get-go.

After a great ending the night before, I knew that I made great progress in the direction my life was heading. The bonds and connection were strong; I won the long weary battle for someone very important to me.

Until this morning… I started to realize that something didn’t add up right. I started picking up these funny feelings and weird visions that contradicted the situation. The torture was in not knowing, and to have it confirmed later it on was what hulked up the TTA’s resolve all day.

Which, of course was exactly what was being counted on that I do. For it would entitle that my actions would lead to impetuousness of resolving the matter, in a time were it would best be left alone.

And of course, as always there to greet me, was the good ole’ double digits.

Throughout the day I had other signs to confirm these suspicions, and the feeling was mutual once I got a hold of whom I needed to reach.

Amazingly enough, it was also the same from that end. Truly, this was a form of temporal sabotage to manipulative certain individuals to be and feel about situations in a certain way. To reflect a bigger box that apparently we could not conceive until later tonight, of putting it all together and seeing the patterns that emerged to be coincidental, to be just that.

The night ended with a visit to Del Taco, for TACO TUESDAY. Were my receipt indicated that I was order #32. “Close call” I said
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. Until further investigation into my receipt, I found that order #32, was short for sale #442232 at 20:22.

There was no escaping this torture. However, I did managed to place my self outside the box a couple of times (out thinking them) until they used their leverage on me.

It was with that in mind that I took counter measures to ensure that this same situation and it’s outcomes do not happen again
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. I may have the last laugh at the present moment. But it’s only a matter of when they find some way of exploiting that, to their advantage, that will continue to be an on going battle with the TTA and the Evil Omniscient Time Traveling Aliens.

-TTA
 
So you are saying that time travelling aliens are after you,or affecting your movement or whatever.

In truth as an alien is not from this planet the alien can technically alter us without affecting there own planet.

But i think you may be suffering from something mental,theres a really serious problem with you..i mean for GODS SAKE no one in there right fucking mind eats taco's,are you crazy?
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<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">"Who are you?" ...
"We are explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."
 
NATAS,
<<So you are saying that time travelling aliens are after you,or affecting your movement or whatever.>>

That’s right rookie, and if you stick around and open your mind you might learn something.

<<In truth as an alien is not from this planet the alien can technically alter us without affecting there own planet.>>

Now who’s making assumptions
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Who’s to say they have a planet, or that we are not them?

As like with a Time Traveler, it would mean a 3rd dimensional being jumping to a 4th dimension and utilized that realm.

An Alien abducting humans for genetic experimentation, would mean that there is something in our genome that theirs lacks, that they need from us.

What then all the interest in Time Traveling and our exploitation?

It’s all in understanding their hidden agenda.

<<But i think you may be suffering from something mental,theres a really serious problem with you..i mean for GODS SAKE no one in there right fucking mind eats taco's,are you crazy?>>

I understand that it may go under a different slang term where you’re from.

But I know for a fact that all heterosexual American Males Love Tacos.

They like to eat eat eat and cover them to the top with large toppings
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If you don’t, then I don’t know what you been smoking :P buddy. But your really missing out on something great.

-TTA
 
Well god forbid the aliens take away your taco's!
however;if this happens as a mark of respect ill have a minutes flatulence.

Aliens are us huh?
you mean there us from the distant future where evolution has changed the human race,possibly disease aswell,we are alot thinner and taller than our cavemen ancestors even now!.
Yeah heard it before,but it still assumes a fixed timeline,im not comfortable with fixed timeline,cos it almost makes the assumption that if time travellers exist it means the past(or some events in it) are directly made from the effect of our future travellers making changes.

Dont work,would still cause paradox problems.<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">"Who are you?" ...
"We are explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."
 
<font size="1" color="#FF0000">LAST EDITED ON 07-Aug-02 AT 02:13AM (EDT)</font>

NATAS,
<<Well god forbid the aliens take away your taco's!
however;if this happens as a mark of respect ill have a minutes flatulence.>>

Uhhh
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your not very bright at catching on things are you NATAS?
Well nevermind, if you don’t know what kind of taco’s I’m referring to, and since apparently you never had that “talk,” I’ll just not say anything and let you figure it out on your own
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<<Yeah heard it before,but it still assumes a fixed timeline,im not comfortable with fixed timeline,cos it almost makes the assumption that if time travellers exist it means the past(or some events in it) are directly made from the effect of our future travellers making changes. >>

If I asked you what came first, the Chicken or the Egg, would you then say it’s paradoxal to what your fixed timeline belief dictates?

If in fact it’s there and it exists, you will still have to come to a solution for solving for x, whether or not your not comfortable with it being a fixed timeline or not.

Can’t wish for the facts not to be true when it does not suit your beliefs, that would be illogical
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Just think of it as a really difficult 4th dimensional algebra equation. There is a solution; you just need to figure out how it came to that conclusion. But in order to do that, you must open your mind first.

-TTA
 
Erm chicken or the egg is only a paradox cos you would not be looking at the whole picture,
obviously evolution had its role and there was no first chicken or first egg,but a slightly different species to the chicken we know today,eventually it layed an egg that is just like the chicken we know.

But thats evolution not time,
the chicken and the egg IS a good example of how the human brain can be confused by viewing principles as we are taught,or wrongly taught as the case may be.

But you cannot solve the grandfather paradox without using alternate timelines or parrallel worlds,
to assume fixed time would suggest i cannot kill my grandfather,but if it were fixed time id remember my grandfather telling me a story of how a man that looked like me tried to kill him.

If i succeed,i wont exist to kill him,if i didnt exist then how would the attempt on his life be made in the first place?

Also even if i succeed and live there is the problem of memory and alternate advents transpiring from the change,the alternate advents will change my future self to the point it is unlikely he will go back in time and do the deed,for he would have no reason to,from his point of view his grandfather died ages ago and hed have no reason to go back and kill him,hes already dead,so how did it happen?.

Now an alternate timeline cannot witness another timeline,in the same way of parrallel worlds,simply from logic.

If i change something ill exist in a different timeline,the previous timeline may still exist without the change(whatever that may be) made.

So i step in a time machine today,and i wont be seen again,ill disapear from here,and ill be elsewhere on the timeline where i made the change.<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">"Who are you?" ...
"We are explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."
 
NATAS,
<<Erm chicken or the egg is only a paradox cos you would not be looking at the whole picture,>>

Whole picture? Well didn’t you just ask me how Aliens could be us in the future? Is that not a paradox as well? And how is that any different in the Chicken vs. Egg paradox, if it’s a change from one species to another? Each having different origins, coming to a completely new evolved state. What whole picture am I failing to see here?

<<obviously evolution had its role and there was no first chicken or first egg,but a slightly different species to the chicken we know today,eventually it layed an egg that is just like the chicken we know.>>

If that is what similarly became as what we know of today as the chicken and the egg, then why not another species follow in the same evolutionary path over time? I.e. mankind.

<<But thats evolution not time, the chicken and the egg IS a good example of how the human brain can be confused by viewing principles as we are taught,or wrongly taught as the case may be.>>

So tell us, what is the right way to think about it? Please teach us, and help clear away all our ignorance
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<<But you cannot solve the grandfather paradox without using alternate timelines or parrallel worlds, to assume fixed time would suggest i cannot kill my grandfather,but if it were fixed time id remember my grandfather telling me a story of how a man that looked like me tried to kill him.>>

Very well. Then perhaps a different variation would suggest a different evolutionary path to the Aliens of that alternate timeline. Still you fail to buy into it as possible for that occurring, but are only inclined to suggest how it could apply to you trying to kill your dear old gramps
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<<If i succeed,i wont exist to kill him,if i didnt exist then how would the attempt on his life be made in the first place?>>

Theoretically it’s a possible paradox, but will anyone ever have the opportunity to test it out and try and kill his or her own grandfather, I highly doubt it
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. Manipulate maybe.

<<Also even if i succeed and live there is the problem of memory and alternate advents transpiring from the change,the alternate advents will change my future self to the point it is unlikely he will go back in time and do the deed,for he would have no reason to,>>

Memory, recalling the alternate reality from the now changed future. Hmmm, sounds very familiar to what I remember I used to go through. And to what my déjà vu reversions have been showing me to remembering of the past triggering a change, that is now crossing paths again for a 2nd time in the now/future (read my post in the paranormal conference for details). I will spend some time thinking about this one.

<<If i change something ill exist in a different timeline,the previous timeline may still exist without the change(whatever that may be) made. So i step in a time machine today,and i wont be seen again,ill disapear from here,and ill be elsewhere on the timeline where i made the change. >>

And what was your point in not wanting to believe in a fixed timeline again and about a time traveler coming to nip and nap? Maybe it’s just me, but you lost me
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Either that, or it’s passed my bed time...

Well I’ll get back to you later anyways
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-TTA
 
<font size="1" color="#FF0000">LAST EDITED ON 07-Aug-02 AT 03:39AM (EDT)</font>

EDIT:the fig diagrams have turned to shit,so youll have to works out what im talking about yourself!
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Although the above could be cured with this logical interpretation,although this one assumes that the history you change stays changed full stop:

Right the set up is simple(fig 1.1),Point A is year 1979 (one year before i was born) and point B is 2010,
remeber this; the moment you go back to the past your very presence has to be rewritten into the future,so the future is wiped out the moment you get to A,the diagram shows going back to point A cancels out point A and replaces it with point C
and the future is now point D.

Point AB is now point CD,the only difference between point A and C is my presence,my presence produces a future D line,
point A 1979----------->B 2010
point C 1979----------->D 2010
Now if i decide to prevent my birth i fear that it will cause a logical time distortion where time loops to infinity for that part of time see fig 1.2,it is what people fear the most,being trapped in a loop for eternity,the future cannot continue and niether can the past,so they fold up from the paradox,at such an extreme level,like preventing your birth.



future
_____B___>___D____
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End__A___>_*_C____
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past A

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LOOP:

2010------------------>1979|
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<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">"Who are you?" ...
"We are explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."
 
Your ignorence is avoiding the grandfather paradox,by deciding if you were to go back you wouldnt commit such a crime,thats not the point of a thought experiment.

Thats all i can work on is thought experiments,einstien did not do calculations first,he pictured it in his head first,made drawings whatever then went to the calculations.


Of coarse,everyone is ignorent until they are told where they are wrong,
BUT how can you be ignorent in theory,cos you dont know you are 100% correct in the first place
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you cant be theoretical without being ignorent,theres always gonna be a time when you dont know,make assumtions and also think you are correct,all part of the coarse.<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">"Who are you?" ...
"We are explorers in the further regions of experience. Demons to some. Angels to others."
 
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