To: MOP. What happened?


Dimensional Traveler
What gives MOP? Why did you get rid of the religious treads? Just when things were getting good, and the good guys were winning. Truth kicked Mike’s ass, but now there is no proof of that

Restore the posts! There were some valid Time Travel information to them. CAT’s posts were leading to something great involving religion and Time Travel, and now they are all gone.

What a waste… Nothing was accomplished in this unfinished dialogue. No final truth revealed, just incomplete bits and pieces of it. All that hard work Truth (among others) did in his research and debate with Mike, now there is nothing to show for when people come asking the same questions, but to start over.

Thanks TTA,


Well, I wanted to ask you Mike being that I read your last posting before it disapeared. You mentioned something to the fact that you have a different belief system and I gathered to be extraterestrial. And now my question is to you, If you believe like you say, by what means, facts and transcripts do you base these accusations?

Where are these transcripts from these alien cultures? Where is one shred of evidance and can you proove to me beyond a resonable doubt that this is so? Put them before me so that I could analyse them, like I do with the Bible!

Or are you just basing this thought out of thin air?

Crap like that should have never been on this forum in the first place.

This was a complete breakdown of the moderator system. I should have been contacted the instant the first message was posted. Instead, this was permitted to go on far too long. Trolls should be ignored and their messages deleted. They should not be debated.

This is not a forum for hate. This is a forum for time travel. If there's an odd off-topic message, that's fine. But hate will not be tolerated here and all such messages will be deleted.

To prevent such posts in the future, I'm going to increase the number of moderators in this forum. I would like the members of this forum to nominate moderators. I will then select one or two or three and assign them all moderator responsibilities so that they can delete messages and contact me if things get out of hand.

Please post your nominations in reply to this message.

Thank you,
Raul Burriel/Mop<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">Mop
Time Travel Institute
RE: Crap like that should have never been on this forum in the first place.

Can I nominate my self? Who better to be a moderator, then the T.T.A.
? Don't worry Time Travel enthusiast and New Agers, -I know we had our problems in the past, but I will be very fair and permit a balanced discussion. You all know I have principles and will not abuse my authority. Choose wisely.

RE: Crap like that should have never been on this forum in the first place.


Whats the point of nominating the foxes to guard the hen house?

"Please children, no scrachting and biting."

He who haveth the master delete key shall rule THE WORLD!

But I do have a suggestion. Just set up an automatic delete for any post over 2,000 words long. That would get rid of 99% of the raving maniacs.
RE: Crap , to MOP and TTA:

Why the religious stuff had poped up, has to do with mass sociology, which is masked under the religious process, in the first place.

There were people that who were sociologist and civil planners, in the 1960s and 70s that more and more bizzare social effects would start to take place, as the size of this socieity grew larger and larger.

What you must understand within what I'm trying to tell you, is that people arer all like indivdual hard-drives placed in computers. However with each one haveing his own particular intonement and really not phylosphically connected to the whole so much so to speak.

As the size of any one population gets larger and larger, social intereactions become more rapid fire, to a greater extent, till some very odd social effects start to take place.

Forinstance, road rage is one, young women placing their babies within trash dumpsters is another, the politicans doing weirder and weirder things, such as the Lewensky and Levey cases, eg. mean politicans and or perverted have now come into vouge.

One of the last stigmas, is religious furver, which kind-a gets real wild, as you have all these personally intoned hard disk, talking, shouting and argueing with each other, over now obscure points, due to too many people, or what is termed oversocial compaction.

Internet porn is one of these phenominons, due to the vast amount of people in general, haveing access to in the internet web interprizes.

This is getting so prolific, that not is only disease past at record rates, but the young people socially, really do not know what they are doing, however they are doing it just the same.

Eminant psycho-behaviourist, Paul Goodman had warned of this phenominon to come, in the 1970s. Saying that by the turn of the century, more and more people would be having drastically phenominal mental and social breakdowns.

This is why the big boom in psycho-pharmicolgical drugs, such as Prozac, Halcion, Paxil, as well as a host of other new anti anxiantiy drugs.

Because the way Satanism, is structured, it is one of the very last religions to express itself, as some aspects of this belief system, thrives on certain levels of social destruction as well as overdevotion to over-obscurity.

Does not have to do with the content of the religion per say, however the mass effect phenomionon.

This is what I'm sure the mythical or real John Titor was trying to point to, within the said post on the old Art Bell web site aas well as, so to speak.

This is like a mass leammings effect, where you have masses of people running somehwere scaired, however they have no real idea why or where they are running, as overpopulation, or mass compaction has in part, taken some of these controls from them.

In a measure, MOP and TTA, this is why I feel that the Satanist have shown up here and why we could do little about them.

Sometimes it is better to let a bad thing express itself, rather than jamb a cork on it, where it really blows up later.

Not the content TTA, however the social effect....?

Goodman was a bit weird, but man, did he have an eyeball on socially what is going on right now!

Thanks fellas, and God bless you Paul wherever you are watching this fay go on now.

Yep' has everything to do with time travel relaited social phenominon, as well what we are going through right now as a society.

You guys keep callen em just like you see them, someone somehwere will come up with an explination sooner or later.
RE: Crap like that should have never been on this forum in the first place.

MOP, I would NOT make a good moderator because I get a bit ornery at times!

But I think TTA and Shadow would make great Moderators!

I wouldn't want them to get to serious thought, and loose their sense of humor!

Deleting long posts... I like that idea.

When people write these volumes and volumes... do they actually expect us to read them?

Mop<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">Mop
Time Travel Institute
RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.

I don't know
, let's ask one of them

HEY Creedo, do you expect everyone to read your long boring posts all the time? You do know the majority of the time they make no sense, right?

Please let us know, cause MOP here wants to know

RE: Deleting long posts, browbeating yes, evidence no!

I feel that if it's browl beating yes, then delete it.

If it's evidence and needs to go at a little extra length, then no.

These Satanist, were something, as I had said within the last post, came out of the woodwork and this could not have been helped.They should have been warned by the MOP?

TTA' ya could use some manners, please.

You are very rude at times and hurt people's feelings????
RE: Deleting long posts, browbeating yes, evidence no!

<<TTA' ya could use some manners, please.You are very rude at times and hurt people's feelings???? >>

Thanks for the constructive criticism
, but what did I say that was rude? Did I really hurt your feelings Daniel?

The TTA is not an unfeeling man; on the contrary I am very empathic and sensitive towards people’s feelings, and at times to much. However, if I seem rude at times, it’s only because I am also passionate, and have a point to make.

But if you ever find me to be particularly unfair and uncaring towards anyone, do bring it to my attention, and I will evaluate the situation and make any necessary apologies/alterations that may be warranted.

RE: Deleting long posts, browbeating yes, evidence no!

A good moderator should not single out people for criticism or point the finger. When addressing matters of concern, they should speak in generalities and never specifics. If they have issues with a specific person, that person should be contacted directly.

Raul/Mop<hr size="1" width="80%" color="#000099" align="left">Mop
Time Travel Institute
RE: Deleting long posts, browbeating yes, evidence no!

Well hopefully I haven't offended anyone. When the people who believed that satan was a means of time travel showed up I was merely explaining why he was deceiving them (kind of like when fake time travelers show up and claim to have seen the future and everyone explains why they are fake). I tried to make sure my responses were polite.

But TTA, incase you wanted to remind yourself of it, I saved the post
Guess I got a heads up from God or something that time was drawing to an end on this topic huh?

Here you can copy and save the answer for yourself:

Mike I've come to the conclusion that you will say or do anything to come across as correct. From insulting me to flat out lying. I can turn the other cheek. But now I will answer exactly what you have asked so that no one can say otherwise. While you have seen fit to reference all sorts of material, you request that I be limited to just the bible. A bit one sided but since you have me using only the bible, the odds are in my favor. In your own words you ask -
>"The Xians tell me the devil is real. Below I have proved the >devil is not a created entity. Now prove to me that what I >wrote below is bogus, using YOUR OWN bible."

Using the bible just as you have asked I will give you proof that Satan is 1)created and 2)very much real. But note that you have just admitted that you hold the bible to be a book of TRUTH since you have asked for the proof to be shown from there. I'm glad to see you admit that the bible is a factual resource...

...and I will do so just as you have asked with ONLY the Bible.


MIKE said:
"The Xians tell me the devil is real. Below I have proved the devil is not a created entity.


Colossians 1:16, 17. "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: And he is before all things, and by him all things consist."

Now that the bible has "clearly" stated that ALL things were created by God let us be more specific to the creation of Lucifer a.k.a. Satan a.k.a. The Devil.

What was the origin of Lucifer? What responsible position did he hold? How does the Bible describe him?

"Thou was created." Ezekiel 28:13, 15. "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth." Ezekiel 28:14. "Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty ... every precious stone was thy covering ... the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. ... Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Ezekiel 28:12-15.

Lucifer was created by God, as were all other angels (Ephesians 3). Lucifer was a "covering" cherub, or angel. One great angel stands on the left side of God's throne and another on the right (Psalm 99:1). Lucifer was one of those highly exalted angel leaders. Lucifer's beauty was flawless and breathtaking. His wisdom was perfect. His brightness was awe-inspiring. Ezekiel 28:13 seems to indicate that his throat was specially prepared to make him an outstanding musician. Some think he led the angelic choir.

Now to make sure we are not mistaking someone else for The Devil, let's find out using scripture a.k.a. The Bible.

With whom did sin originate?
"The devil sinneth from the beginning." 1 John 3:8. "That old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan." Revelation 12.

Satan, also called the devil, is the originator of sin. Without the Scriptures, the origin of evil would remain unexplained.

What was Satan's name before he sinned? Where was he living at that time?
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!" Isaiah 14:12. Jesus said, "I behold Satan as lightning fall from heaven." Luke 10:18. "Thou wast upon the holy mountain of God." Ezekiel 28:14.

His name was Lucifer, and he was living in heaven. Lucifer is symbolized by the king of Babylon in Isaiah 14 and as the king of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28.

MIKE said:
>"...Now prove to me that what I wrote below is bogus, using YOUR OWN bible."


Using my bible, Mike, The source you asked for proof to be shown from, I have shown you what you have asked. Satan is real. You can play with words and you can deny him until the cows come home. But the truth is that Angels, good and bad exist.

Now that I have proven to you that Satan was created by God, using only the bible, allow me to share some "extra" notes for you to ponder from a book by Joe Crews .

"If they are real beings, some might ask, why can't we see them? How many believe that a glass of water is full of little wiggling bits of life? Of course, we all believe it. That water is full of germ life, and if we could look at a drop through the microscope right now, it would come alive with movement. There are lots of things that are real that we cannot see or hear. The room where you sit is full of voices of all kinds. Music is filling the room at this very moment, but you cannot hear it. All we need to do is bring in a radio and turn it on. Immediately we can hear these sounds which fill the air. The fact that we cannot see or hear a thing is no proof that it does not exist."

Mike I truly believe that God is calling you and you don't realize it. Something is tugging at your heart. It's calling you to be here day after day. You claim to want nothing of God, yet you continue to spark debate about him. Mike, surrender to God and you will see the many wonderful things he has in store for you. As always, I will keep you at the top of my Prayer list.

As always God Bless.
RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.


Be nice to creedo. I give him a lot of credit for improvement. His posts are more coherent and to the point lately. You complain when he's bad you, complain when he shapes up. Relax guy!

Save your vitrol for the aliens, the evil brain sucking aliens, the evil brain sucking cattle mutalating aliens that made me drop my lollypop in the dirt aliens. The....the....oh sorry got caried away.
RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.

Okay Shadow, I gave him “prop’s” (well sorta) in one of my last post to him
. But pretty soon I don’t know if it’s going to matter if I get pissed off at the Aliens anymore.

Why do some women have to be so damn easy to manipulate?

Maybe they are from another world.

RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.


>>>>why do some women have to so easy....<<<<

Don't ask me. I CAN give you some advice on how to get rid of them, if thats what you need.

Guy's restoring his colonial era New England house, finds an old bottle in the basement. Drops it, oops out pops a genie.
"I the great WashTosh may grant you ONE wish!"
Ok, I want to go to Hawaii for a few weeks but I'm affraid of flying if I asked to go to Hawaii and back would that count as two wishes?
"Yes that's two wishes not one."
Ok make me a bridge to Hawaii then I can drive there and back. Thats just one wish.
"Yes but do you understand how difficult that will be.? The pilings would have to be 2miles tall, there would be storms and shipping to contend with. And the permits and environmental impact statements, I mean just the red tape would be a nightmare. Are you sure there is not something else I can do for you?"
Ok then, I want you to grant me the wisdom to understand women.
Dramatic pause while The Great WashTosh considers his options......and replies:
"Say, about that bridge, you want two lanes or four?"
RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.

It’s ironic really
that being the TTA and understanding far more about reality then some, I cannot fully comprehend the female aspect of humanity. It’s erratic, and illogical at times, but even then I find their patterns and behaviors predictable, and at times amusing, except now

RE: Deleting long posts... I like that idea.


Re. >>>>can't understand women<<<

The more you *think* the worse it will get.
Don't think. Hell, THEY don't, why should we?

Suggestion #2. Jump off a tall building now, before its too late.

Suggestion #3. Take onecup of milk, one scoop of icecream, strawberry syurp, mix in a fast blender. Imbibe immediatly.

Sugg #4
Give her plane tickets to Hawaii, (you'll join her later) and after her plane leaves call up your credit card company and refuse to pay, hold the check, or decide that you want the return ticket for Sigapore etc ect.

Sugg #5
Tell her that time travel, and ufos (don't forget the ufos!) are more important to you than she is. If she still won't leave maybe she IS the right one and YOU should tow the line.