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Travelling at the speed of light ?

yukee

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I always wonder what would happen if an object travels in space
1) at the speed of light for 1km and stop
2) at the speed of light for 1cm and stop.
3) at the speed of light for 0.0000000001cm and stop.

and eventually
4) at the speed of light for 0 unit and stop completely (It accelerate without any limit for a distance of 0 = IE: both velocity/acceleration -&gt; Unlimited; Travelling distance is approching 0

It sounds odd, but it seems like involving a lot of finite maths and calculus

Re: Dear Yukee

I always wonder what would happen if an object travels in space
1) at the speed of light for 1km and stop..&gt;Mass would disgennis and not be adherent to your time space, any more
2) at the speed of light for 1cm and stop...&gt;Depends upon the mass?
3) at the speed of light for 0.0000000001cm and stop.&gt;You've described a vibrational moment.

and eventually
4) at the speed of light for 0 unit and stop completely (It accelerate without any limit for a distance of 0 = IE: both velocity/acceleration -&gt; Unlimited; Traveling distance is approaching 0&gt;Again' you've described a vibrational moment.

It sounds odd, but it seems like involving a lot of finite maths and calculus No, this does not.

Re: Dear Yukee

I always feel that you can do a time travel (or at least you will shift into a different space) if you can accelerate at the speed of light and then stop completely and suddenly.

At night, you can see many stars in the sky eventhough some of them don't exist in the space at that moment. It is the light that is still travelling through the space.
When you turn on the light, immediately, your room become so bright because the wall reflects all the light. When you turn the light off, do you ever wonder where does the light disappear to?
In other words, light doesn't disappear unless something stops it! When the light is stopped and disappeared, perhaps it is dissolved in the space and time!~

Re: Dear Yukee

yukee,

Yikes! You probably don't want to accelerate to c and come to a sudden stop. You probably don't want to accelerate to 30 mph and run into a brick wall for the same, but much more disasterous, reason.

But Daniel is correct - it doesn't take a lot of math to determine the relativistic effects. You didn't add any gravitation or other non-linear criteria to your problem so a simple Lorentz Transformation from Special Relativity will do.

Gamma = 1/(1-v^2/c^2)^1/2

If you were traveling at 99.997999% c you would travel 1 km in ~1/299,999th seconds proper time. Your mass would increase 50x and your length would be reduced to 1/50th (as measured from some stationary observer).

Re: Dear Yukee

yukee,

Just a bit of an addendum to the last post:

What would occur if you accelerated, not to light velocity, but to the 99.997999% c that I suggest and come to a sudden stop? We'll give the time to stop a finite value for "t" of 1/299,997th seconds.

Let's also assume that your rest mass is 100 lbs. The stationary observer will measure your mass as 50 x 100 or 5,000 lbs. In that 1/299,997th seconds to stop you are going to convert 4,900 lbs of mass into energy. A one megaton yield hydrogen bomb converts a few ounces of mass to energy. You do see the problem here, don't you?

This doesn't take into account the 50x mass of whatever you used to accomplish the acceleration (a ship of some sort).

Converting all that mass to energy would be catastrophic in the extreme for whatever was in the vicinity of you and your ship. Obviously "you and your ship" are not going to survive this event.

I am new to the board, and relatively new to studing the possibility of Time Travel and Light speed.

The biggest obstacle I have reached so far is that i do not see how as an object reaches light speed, that time coralating to the object in motion would slow, and time would pass more quickly to everything else. I view time as merely perception, a way of marking growth. Time itself, so it seems to me is illrelevant considering that all events occur simultainiuosly, its just a matter of who or what is there to see it. I would think that traveling 2 light years, at the speed of light, would not change the perception of time, and that after returning that distance, only 4 years would have passed for both the object and all other matter. Time cannot be effected by Velocity, or so it seems to me.

any suggestions?

yatterling
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The biggest obstacle I have reached so far is that i do not see how as an object reaches light speed, that time correlating to the object in motion would slow, and time would pass more quickly to everything else.
I view time as merely perception, a way of marking growth.
Time itself, so it seems to me is illrelevant considering that all events occur simultaneously, its just a matter of who or what is there to see it.
I would think that traveling 2 light years, at the speed of light, would not change the perception of time, and that after returning that distance, only 4 years would have passed for both the object and all other matter. Time cannot be effected by Velocity, or so it seems to me.

Creedo responds to yatterling&gt;Mass invested to an object can not travel at the speed of light.

This is true primarily due to the fact that photons are invested within matter of this frequency itself.

So marginally, mass can become accelerated towards, or near the speed of light, however never enter into the critical near top area of the speed of light itself.

This said is true, as photons and mass interact with the hidden constituents of stringed space, being invested with hidden components of light and matter as invested as energy signatures, itself.

The closest one can probably accelerate matter, without changing matters phased changed state, is about seventy five percent of light speed.

Any greater acceleration phase, would start to gennis the rise of expression of photonic pressure, from the hidden light held within that supposed accelerated matter?

When one accelerates matter to a near the speed of light as possible, they begin to violate a phased realm of light and matter assignment and time begins to slow down.

Technically what one has done within this realm of phased transition of high speed travel, is to warp space and time.

However matter and light might posses many phases of designed own special signatures, as this matter and light would relate to only one set dimension of being.

This was the first tenant of Einstein's space and time module, postulating that a large bowlingball, placed upon a bed mattress, next to a billiard ball of smaller size, would not only indicate signatures within a greater realm of mass.

&gt;This postualte as well as density, however begin to phase array space and time, so that many access ports could possibly be expressed within this space and time, surrounding superheavy objects.

The speed of light only, as a traversal lodge to encamp a ridership to supposed ultimate velocities, does not secure the supposition that super C travel alone, will transcend time.

Might it be that the simple logic, that frequencies, varied certain as in nature, or man-made augmentable, would be this certain felon, into the space and time folds of what would be supposed as the mass of time, or time-mass?

This is one of the suppositions of wiggled pressure expression of waves of light.
A concept similar to, but not the same as De' Brogelie wave length?

Yatterling,

So should buy a copy of "Relativity: The Special &amp; General Theory", Einstein, Albert.

It's available in paperback at any bookstore (like Border's) for under \$15.00.

It will give you a good non-math understanding of Special and General Relativity. The first thing that you will learn about Special Relativity is that the idea of "simultaneous" is no longer valid (at least in the sense that we normally think of it).

Re: Travelling not at the speed of light ?

Yes but with an addendum to Darby's promotion of the special relativity trieste and this addendum is expressed as such.

&gt;That later in Einstein's career, he steadfastly had problems expressing the super-coordinates of what would be proposed as structures of time and space?

In as much as empty space, is not really so empty, however under the influce of hidden structures.

The XYZ super invisible comer coordinates, or the invisible coordinates in-back of a real one, in order to express what scalier space was, WAS his special problem in expression.

If you go through special relativity never realizing that bands of specialized space occur, and try to function under the old trieste, then later you run into problems?

There are a band of new physicist who have understood this and I would firmly suggest that you widen your reading range, rather than............

Yatterling,

Start with the book that I suggested. Consider it the primer. You need a knowledge base to begin your inquiry. Special Relativity is the place where you begin. Do keep in mind that Special Relativity is an admittedly incomplete theory. It is completed (as a classical theory) by the addition of General Relativity.

You can always add to your knowledge base by reading other books. But it is a complex issue and you should take baby steps before launching into QED, QFT or the like.