UFO buffs say official denial 'alien to us'

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UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/06/29/uk.ufos.reut/index.html

UFO buffs say official denial 'alien to us'

Thursday, June 29, 2006; Posted: 6:23 a.m. EDT (10:23 GMT)


Unidentified flying objects in the skies over southern Campeche state, Mexico.

SHEFFIELD, England (Reuters) -- Last month, the British Ministry of Defence made public a top secret report on UFOs, concluding that three decades of sightings had failed to produce evidence of visiting extraterrestrials.

Case closed for alien aficionados? Not so.

Far from alleviating UFO buffs' suspicions that governments are concealing what they know, the report has intensified them.

"I just e-mailed the MoD explaining my disgust at their latest UFO report," an Internet UFO forum member wrote, saying the Ministry was in denial.

Instead of alien spacecraft, man-made vehicles and natural phenomena, some of them little known, were behind the UFO sightings, according to the report that runs to almost 500 pages.

David Clarke, a journalist and folklorist who used freedom of information laws to gain access to the report, said UFO believers would not accept any explanation for the phenomenon other than the extraterrestrial one.

"They've got the truth, but it's not what they want to hear," he said, speaking in a cafe near Sheffield Hallam University where he teaches journalism.

"They want to hear 'yes, there are aliens' but, because the report says there is no evidence, it's not good enough," said Clarke who has written several books on supernatural beliefs, including UFOs.

"The only thing they can do now is pray that there must be more files that are even more secret than these, being concealed."

Alien hypothesis
Last year, the alien hypothesis gained a prominent supporter in Paul Hellyer, a former Canadian defense minister, who told a conference that UFOs were "as real as the airplanes that fly over your head".

Hellyer told Reuters by telephone from Toronto he had become convinced of the existence of alien visitors from reading a book on the subject last year and that he was disappointed in the conclusions of the report.

"I think it's just one more man-made hurdle to trying to get the truth out," he said.

"Maybe I'm a little too suspicious, but the fact that the report was completed in 2000, just when the Brits were passing the new Freedom of Information Act, might easily have been in the minds of some of the drafters at the time they were writing their conclusions."

Nick Pope, a Defense Ministry official who worked on UFO cases from 1991 to 1994, said the release of the report was an indication of the British government's openness on the subject.

"In Britain, I'm convinced there's no cover-up, there's no conspiracy," he said. Many UFO researchers disagreed with him and believed he was part of the conspiracy since he worked for the government and used to work with UFO cases, he added.

"But I can't win with arguments like that, because whatever I say, they won't believe it."

No proof
Pope has written several books on UFOs. He said he did not rule out aliens as the explanation for UFOs, but added there was no conclusive proof.

In the absence of the "almost cliched landing-on-the-White- House-lawn type scenario," Pope said the existence of aliens could be proved if radio astronomers picked up an intelligent signal or if extraterrestrial metal pieces were discovered.

If there are alien visitors, "the lack of artefacts is a significant mystery", meaning they must either have completely accident-proof vehicles, or have mastered teleportation and be able to scoop up debris, the report said.

To the folklorist Clarke, claims of the discovery of pieces from alien craft and marks on the ground bear a resemblance to tales from the past.

"It's like these fairy stories when people visit fairyland. They're given a gift by the fairies, and when they come back it just dissolves."

Until an alien spacecraft can be publicly examined or a signal from the green men is detected, the final line of the 1951 film "The Thing from Another World" still applies for UFO believers: "Keep watching the skies."

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Re: UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

I had dinner with Nick Cook one night when he was in town filming his recent History Channel UFo special.

He certainly seems to be making a tidy living by playing the UFO angle.

Maybe I'm in the wrong business. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Re: UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

Did you really have dinner with him, Ray?

What did you personally make of his character? or perhaps you'd rather PM that to me then put it on a public forum...?

Kind regards,
Olly
 
Re: UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

Hi Olly,
Did you really have dinner with him, Ray?

What did you personally make of his character? or perhaps you'd rather PM that to me then put it on a public forum...?
Yes, I did meet and dine with him and several others. Overall he is certainly a decent, well-spoken guy. He seems to really want to get to the heart of whatever it is he is investigating. While he has only reported on (rather than worked on) aerospace systems, I must say that he has a better-than-average capacity for understanding what is real/possible and what is sheer fabrication.

I'll say more in a PM.
RMT
 
Re: UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

Oh really,

Thats a better analysis i was thinking you would come out with. He does seem to be one of the more 'genuine' investigators on the subject. Thats for sure. I was just curious as i hadnt spoken to anyone that had met him before.

Kind regards,
Olly
 
Re: UFO buffs say official denial \'alien to us\'

There are PLENTY of "wackos" out there in UFOland. And it is easy to take one side over the other (I have taken my own view on what UFOs are, so I can't say I am wholly objective). But I can certainly say that Nick does not show any outward "bias" toward belief or non-belief. I think he is doing the best job he can in "telling the story" without letting too much of his own potential bias to show through.

One personal note that is solely my own opinion: I wish he would put a bit more effort into questioning some of the more hard-to-believe stories he reports on. Some people who he reports on or interviews have some pretty wild claims. It would be nice to see him "push" them to give some better backing to their claims.

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