Would Neo have broken the vase...
- Thread starter Siegmund
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i think the point of that scene is to show that we have no free will. we live in a fatalist universe. she was supposed to say that and he was supposed to hit it. there is no option of not hitting it.
the more research i do into time travel...the more i realize how right fatalists are...which isn't a big deal. i don't believe in free will anyway.
the more research i do into time travel...the more i realize how right fatalists are...which isn't a big deal. i don't believe in free will anyway.
JamesAnthony
Temporal Navigator
Alot of people don't seem to understand that 'no free will' is not actually that much of a biggy. As long as you don't know the outcome, you will always have 'choice' in your decision. You're not forced to make these decisions, it's simply that you were always going to make them. Hence my sig. /ttiforum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
As for the Matrix, I like the arguement of Smith in Revolutions - why bake the cookies and put them on the table if the Oracle knew he would crash them across the room?
James
As for the Matrix, I like the arguement of Smith in Revolutions - why bake the cookies and put them on the table if the Oracle knew he would crash them across the room?
James
RainmanTime
Super Moderator
Oh, well that one is easy enough, at least in my opinion. Because even if you can't ever eat them, the smell of freshly baked cookies in the kitchen is reward enough in itself. It tickles the neurotransmitters of the mind in an oh so delightful way! /ttiforum/images/graemlins/yum.gif
Kind Regards,
RainmanTime
PS - Now I probably have to bake some chocolate chip cookies this weekend!
Hephaestus
Temporal Novice
Maybe only after baking the cookies was she aware Smith would throw them across the room.
Wavefunction
Temporal Novice
The answer is yes and no. It all depends on your personal beliefs (for this example anyway).
If you believe in fate, then yes, he would have broken it anyway. To explain this answer will require a little more in depth explaination of fate.
Fate (explained pseudo-scientifically) is a series of chemical reactions. And they all started millions of years ago. Every chemical reaction leads to another and to another and to another. So what you do today is just a reaction a little farther down the line. You are going to do it no matter what.
I won't claim to know what you believe in if the answer is no. If the oracle had said nothing to him, then he wouldn't have moved, and therefore wouldn't have broken the vase.
But she DID say something. She saw it happen before it did. So the real question here is why did she say anything?
If you believe in fate, then yes, he would have broken it anyway. To explain this answer will require a little more in depth explaination of fate.
Fate (explained pseudo-scientifically) is a series of chemical reactions. And they all started millions of years ago. Every chemical reaction leads to another and to another and to another. So what you do today is just a reaction a little farther down the line. You are going to do it no matter what.
I won't claim to know what you believe in if the answer is no. If the oracle had said nothing to him, then he wouldn't have moved, and therefore wouldn't have broken the vase.
But she DID say something. She saw it happen before it did. So the real question here is why did she say anything?
Blair
Temporal Navigator
The vase it self has purpose it was atoms of free will brought together by atoms of free will and reconstructed by atoms of free will.
The atoms it self run on free will.The fact it has a question added to it is the reason it is here.
The out come will be the same atoms of free will in the end. Will the atoms become questions of free will in the future? And what mite the answer be next time??
I hope time travel will answer the question i feel i know the answer to already!!
I think free will is a chemical reaction what do you think??
I think conciseness is the understanding of free will!!
The atoms it self run on free will.The fact it has a question added to it is the reason it is here.
The out come will be the same atoms of free will in the end. Will the atoms become questions of free will in the future? And what mite the answer be next time??
I hope time travel will answer the question i feel i know the answer to already!!
I think free will is a chemical reaction what do you think??
I think conciseness is the understanding of free will!!
I believe whether the vase would have been broken or not can be answered by a complicated probablility equation, which of course takes into account the variables of 1. everything the oracle has every done in her life and 2. diddo for neo.
Doing the calculations on my vast array of quantum computers, I find that the vase probably would have broken either way.
Doing the calculations on my vast array of quantum computers, I find that the vase probably would have broken either way.
