After trying to post a couple of times and seeing the number of postings increase but not the pages…I assume it is limited to 11 pages.
Any thoughts?
Mr. TT_0,
Let us assume you are a time traveller. I do not see any viable way for you to return to your own time line then. I say this because that you mentioned the difficulty with time travel in the sense of divergences. You said that you travelled back in time from 2036 to 1975 with a ~1-2% divergence. You also mentioned that in your time frame a 0% divergence is sort of a myth, i.e technologically improbable. Now if I understand your plan, you say you will once again travel back to 1975 before you arrived and then go forward as to avoid going into the future of our time line, which by your presence here would be an alternate future from your own. But what I would ask is, if you plan to go back to 1975 from 2000, you should incur a certain non-zero percent divergence just as you did going from 2036 to 1975. I would surmize that it is impossible or technologically improbable for you to go back to the exact world line you departed from then. Even if you are able to travel back with a 0% divergence, which by your previous words would be mythological, what would ensure you that the future you travelled into was exactly the world line you left. Since there are an infinite number of possible world lines departing from 1975 into the future. I suppose the key point of this argument is that any trip through time with your technology would result in a non-zero divergence, and in order for you to arrive in your own world line you must create a 0% divergent trip. This is amusing in the sense that the harder you try to get to your own world line the more divergences you incur and hence the furthur away you get. I believe I see the birth of a new temporal paradox.
TTO,
good! I see you were finally able to post your posting. I think there was something wrong with the 11th page. I was there a couple of times and it was just blank.
you could click on it and it went to the 11th page but there was nothing there.
-pamela
Hi TTO, you must be on right now! because your last post above me was not there when I posted! so we have solved the 11th page mystery! your right I tested it again and it accepts my post but then it disappears and does not show up on the page at all.it went interdimensional and is posted on some other world lines page! hahaahah
where does it say it is limited to 11 pages though…I don’t see it.??..wait a minute…you are not looking at the third open folder at the top of the page are you?
…YOU posted that! hehehe
-pamela
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Hello!
If I understand TT_0 properly (which, I’m afraid, may be debatable)and if I may be so presumptuous as to risk an idea based on Trott’s question to test my understanding:
If the potential divergens is approximately .00024%, then the difference between “adjacent” worldlines has the highest probability to be negligible.
Assuming that, then a TT_0 from “the next worldline over” is likely to have left to go on a similar mission and will return to “the original” TT_0’s worldline.
That is, the TT_0 we’ve obviously found so stimulating will return to a different worldline, surely, but it would be so similar to his own, it might as well be his original.
Similarly, a TT_0 (“not ours”) will return from a worldline similar to our own to “our TT_0’s” worldline and be such a perfect doppleganger that the “originating” worldline recieves the IBM, and his Mom never knows the difference.
Am I even close, TT_0?
-Theo
TTO-
I wasnt aware that the postings had numbers. you didnt go back and count all 412 posts did you? this is the last post I see on MY computer…copied and pasted:
(I wonder if everyone else has the same thing.is this the last one you have too?)
Shadow
unregistered posted 26 January 2001 12:55
What happened to Pamala and TT_O? They both dropped off the board at the same time.
PC crash, hanky panky?
maybe the Mighty Moderators will check into it. Mop will get to the bottom of it. he’ll be able to tell us what is happening to mysterious page 11!
TTO- check your email I sent you something!
-pamela
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(((please allow me to disclose an idea we toss around a bit in 2036. Since all possibilities, outcomes and events are occurring and exist simultaneously, it would mean there are multiple universes out there where “you†are living a day behind and a day ahead of the “you†on this universe.
There are some who believe that memory is some sort of information transfer or communication with the “yous†in the past, across worldlines or universes. Although this is seemingly quite ridiculous, if you think that could be true, than physics tells us that the same information transfer from our future selves on other worldlines is not only possible but certain.))))
If you could occassionally communicate with the you’s from different world lines (day ahead)(day behind) would this explain the common dejavu people seem to have at times?
the definition of dejavu is as follows “which is described as the illusion of having previously experienced something actually being encountered for the first time”
hmmm…this is very interesting indeed.
If this be true it could explain alot of other things as well such as an unexplained bad feeling or fear of not getting on a plane that you find out later crashes.
Is it possible to recieve messages from other world lines? if so how is it done?
how do you pick up on such a thing? or is this something all together different. we have all heard the stories of things like this happening but often times there are no explainations.
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Ok just for the fun of it let me add to the confusion by submitting another theory. I THE GREAT SHADOW CAN CONTROLL THE CREATION OF ALTERNATE WORLD LINES! How?
I sit down at the kitchen table and slide my coffee cup to the left one foot. A second world line is created that is exactly the same as the first …except the cup is in a different spot. Both lines are so similar and close in time and space that the miraculous event goes un-noticed and un-applauded.
Every event and object of a parallel world that does NOT differ from our present one IS the present one and is shared over time and space, with all the alternates. Only the differences would be detectable and those differences would be by definition elsewhere. We could have “parallel” worlds by the zillions glued so tight together as to be “too close to see”.
In other words when I move the cup over to the left I am just moving the cup to the left and not moving the rest of the universe over to the right as is suggested in the multi universe therory.
Rgrunt–
Your idea certainly seems to be a plausible hypothesis.
I may be oversimplifying the matter (or have missed a major point entirely), but I can’t help but wondering about the physical ramifications of being even temporally present at the big bang.
That is, wouldn’t being there at the time of the mother of all explosions be a little difficult to survive?
Let me change gears in this post to present a slightly oddball idea:
I truly like the idea of slight temporal differences between worldlines. If we take this concept a step further, and looked further across (as opposed to “down”) the worldlines, we may see greater differences in time. That is one worldline at our reference time 2:00pm would be at 3:00pm at another worldline further across this array of worldlines. The further across, the greater the temporal difference.
That being said, we can state that all times exist simultaneously. Therefore, time travel need not be a linear event, but rather a “skipping over” of worldlines. Of course, it can be agued that this would not be a genuine form of time travel, merely an illusory one.
So…how could this be accomplished, folks? Any ideas?
I’m guessing a singularity of some sort may still be required. However, I think Pamela and others may have really hit upon something with their ideas of deja-vu and other phenomenon. Maybe it’s a bit easier than I’ve been thinking.
–Theo
Just to add to the recent theory on Déjà vu. I have about on an average day 5 deja vu experiences. Accompanied by visions, and manifestations. Wherever I go, I know in my mind that I have been there before. Whoever I meet, I know that I have met them before somewhere, or some time. Although as a child they were much more frequent, the intensity has since gone up from the last 2 years.
I created a theory for this phenomena, which I called “Temporal Networking and its Mechanics.†However, it wasn’t to my satisfaction, so I decided on taking it down from my website. It’s hard for me to describe what I am feeling, and even more since I am not a scientist. However, I feel like each day that passes, I come closer to understanding this feeling, and my place in this world.
“For what was, for what is, and for what will be. I will fight for it’s preservation.”
Javier,
here is where TTO’s pictures are located (his machine,some diagrams from his manual and also a drawing of the patch he wears on his uniform.)
http://pub2.ezboard.com/bmagisystems
cannot do a direct link so use the above and click on the topic- Timelord’s anonymous
and then click on -anonymous gravity/time device pictures. you will find all the pictures there.
sincerely,
pamela
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Enforcer of Time,
The more I read your postings the more I am beginning to think of the possibility of something being terribly wrong with your time lines. I’ve been thinking deeply on the the statement you have made:
(((Just to add to the recent theory on Déjà vu. I have about on an average day 5 deja vu experiences. Accompanied by visions, and manifestations. Wherever I go, I know in my mind that I have been there before. Whoever I meet, I know that I have met them before somewhere, or some time. Although as a child they were much more frequent, the intensity has since gone up from the last 2 years.)))
and with the new knowledge I am gaining daily. you seem to be having a “bleedover”
between timelines. at first I thought something had happened to you as a child to cause this severe distortion. some kind of severe trauma. but now I am beginning to wonder about the possibility of time interfereance. here is an interesting question: what would happen to an individual that was interferred with over and over and over? would the time lines eventually break down and cause bleedthrough to other timelines? this is very interesting to think about.
I was talking to a man that was involved in the Montauk project (atleast he said he was,it is hard to find out the truth about all things)
and one interesting thing he was telling me is he was hooked to the projects with some of his essence. I will not reveal too much of what he said but it is interesting that he said in the Montauk area he had noticed that because the area was, how can I say,
so “messed with” in the area of time distortion that the whole area had many bleedthroughs and astrally they were seen as images of different stages such as a tree that was there. could be viewed as tree stump and then superimposed over that image was one of a young tree and also an average tree.
the area had been literally ripped apart sortof speak and many “times” were (Im not sure if this is the right word) “overlapping” in different areas.
I thought this was very interesting. not that I believe it all but I do keep it all in mind. because it is interesting what you can relate it to later.
sincerely,
pamela
Hi TimeTravel_0
Trott has made a very good point there. If you leave your worldline, some of your friends and familymembers will never see you again on that worldline. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that would be a very immoral thing to do.
Besides what’s the point of fixing the Unix problem if there’s an infinite number of worldlines where this problem doesn’t even exist or has been fixed. After all your own worldline doesn’t get the IBM 5100 anyway, so the people that sent you on this mission are still having that problem.
Also, you stated that “to the people on your worldline you’d only be gone for a split second”. This can’t be true, because to them you’ll go away and never return.
Please elaborate. 
Greetings from euh…rainy Amsterdam
Roel van Houten
Oh, I seem to have missed another statement by Trott saying that another “Timetravel_0” will return to the worldline, but that sounds virtually impossible!
Timetravel_0 stated clearly that returning to your own worldline is thought to be impossible. Besides if something like that were to happen, it’s very improbable that it would happen to the worldline that Timetravel_0 originated from.
Consequently, Timetravel_0’s friends and family are left alone and will never see Timetravel_0 again, which sounds very cruel to me. I hope you said goodbye to them Timetravel_0. At least you won’t notice.
Greetings
Roel
Questions for time travel _0. Are the Olympics still being played in your time? You said that you’re the VGL system records your trip, would it not be possible to use that recording to back track to your original starting point without any divergence at all? It seems that all it would take it is a couple lines of programming in the computer-controlled system. It would just make your trip a little longer and be more computer intensive. Or is this what the system does and because of the clocks you use, you can only get so close to you’re original world line. Have you ever read the book Six Nightmares by Anthony Lake? Why only two windows of opportunity for you to start your time machine? Would this have something to do with the weather?
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Hi Timetravel_0,
Again, I do not have enough knowledge to completely understand all the consequences of multiple worldlines. And it is not my intention to prove or disprove that you’re a timetraveler, I just enjoy exploring all the possiblilties.
I see your point now. Another “you” that traveled back in time from another worldline, might end up going back to the worldline of which you originated, because of the divergance. However there’s still a big chance that Copy_of_Timetravel_0 will not return to your ZD worldline and thus leaving your friends and family without a copy of you.
You mentioned that the same goes for soldiers in our worldline. Yes, true. But do you not disaprove of war, just like me? I think it’s immoral so I stand with my previous statement.
Also, wanting to make things better is not a bad thing, but what’s the use of bringing back an IBM 5100 to a slightly different worldline, knowing that there are just as many or even more worldlines in which no-one returns to bring back the IBM 5100. It sounds a bit like charity in favour of other worldlines.
Greetings from (hey it’s dry) Amsterdam
Roel van Houten
Okay TT_O, I got to admit your device looks familiar to me. However, I doubt you can Time Travel with that. Looks like something you put together with old radio equipment from your garage, more like it.
I used to play with stuff like this when I was 1 year old, so maybe that’s why it looks familiar to me.
Nevertheless, there is no way, that that device could have gotten you here from almost 40 years into the future. That’s just to rich… =) Lol.
-Javier C.
TT_0,
So you think everyone who meets you should automatically find something to like about you? Man, how arrogant can someone be? Unlike you, I don’t strive to be liked, and I don’t ask people to believe me when I post scientific explanations to back up my story of being a Time Traveler.
You came to this board claiming to be a Time Traveler. No one should go unquestioned of their motives if say they are. You can be as articulate with your words as much as you want. And it may convince some that you are who you claim to be. However, the fact of the matter still remains, all I did was ask the questions no one was asking. So please forgive me for being a Time Travel Activist with morals.
A fighter for Truth and Freedom, till the end,
Javier Cortez
I suppose no one believes in having TT_0 answer for him self in this forum?
Why is it that every time someone posts questions or remarks for TT_0, someone always answers for him? Why is this? Some sort of conspiracy to back him up or something? Geesh…
-Javier C.
((Yes. I am considering trying to videotape my departure and having my parents post it after I leave. That should keep you all busy for a while.))
Right… Why not give us your location, so we can all see your departure take place in person? For all we know, you may make some visual special effects and pass it off as the real thing.
-J.C.
“For what was, for what is, and for what will be. I will fight for it’s preservation.”