A Discovered Time Traveler

[Mylo.X.]

4.. Looking up information about Stockwell I also found that Ernest Borgnine did not die of a massive coronary arrest in 1995 (he appeared in McHale’s Navy remake also), but was alive and well. Mr. Borgnine recently passed away this past July from kidney failure.

Over the years, I have come across several testimonies of people who swear that Nelson Mandela had died years ago whilst incarcerated on Devils Island. In those peoples "reality", Mandela was never released from prison. When you mentioned Ernest Borgnine, it reminded me of a post I read on another web site, about people who had also thought Mr Borgnine had died earlier than July 2012. Here is the link:

And then Ernest Borgnine just died again., page 1

 

[Florida_Jim]

Over the years, I have come across several testimonies of people who swear that Nelson Mandela had died years ago whilst incarcerated on Devils Island.

Nelson Mandela, Stephen Hawking, Arthur C. Clark, Roy Orbison (twice), and now Jonathan Winters are all non sequitur, dead then alive again, celebrities for me.

 

[Troy Titor]

I realize this is a long post and appreciate your patience if you take the time to read it. Regarding time travel claims, you could say I have an iron-clad argument that reads like an alternative history novel. Difficult to refute and based solely on my own testimony. Those are the facts and I have only recently determined that this happened to me.

What I find most interesting about your story is the presence of "Attractor Fields." Basically, if the divergence between worldlines is not high enough, the event will occur no matter what you do to prevent it.

Here's the wikipedia article on "Strange Attractors"

Chaos theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Gpa]

Florida_Jim

I don't want you to consider this an attack about this but I must ask... Why do you feel the "e-mail" has anything to do with your "alter-views"? You said you don't remember any e-mail in 1998 and your views started in May 2001. It would seem they are totally unrelated. Had your views started sometime in 1998 or 1999... then maybe you could assert a connection but, three years later with no recollection of a revelation in 1998...no.
You and others that make these claims are more than likely experiencing false or perhaps incomplete memories. This is very common among some and has occurred to some extent for everyone... no exceptions. Memory is the most fallible of human traits. It's all a matter of perception. Your eyes 'see' everything. Your brain has to process what's important at every given moment. With so much information coming in, it simply ignores what it deems unnecessary at that time. Unfortunately, sometimes it does this while we should be paying attention. "What are you talking about? When did you tell me to take the trash out?"
I have traveled the same route from my town to Chicago literally hundreds of times. One day, after a sever storm the night before, I noticed a small pop-up trailer that I had seen many times before setting on the west side of a pond, the kind you see near overpasses where dirt was taken to build up the ground level to cross the highway. This morning it was all the way across to the east side and setting half in the water. I said to my friend, "Look at that. The storm blew that trailer all the way across to the other side and into the water." His reply was, "You don't look around much do you? That's been over there since last summer."
A time slip? No. An alternate universe? No, nothing so spectacular. A familiar place that had changed but my memory of it hadn't because the change, as far as my brain was concerned, was to insignificant be placed in long term memory. Not everything is or even can be saved by your brain into long term memory. That's one of the reasons for dreams. The brain sorts out the information it has recently accumulated in what we may experience as a very real event or a jumble of mixed up events and it discards what it deems to be unnecessary. That's why most dreams are so hard to recall. They have been "deleted" from memory.
I hate to be such a damned scientist, but this explanation is far more likely to be correct than time slips.
Sorry.
Read up on it yourself if you wish to understand it better.
Look this up as a start.
False memory syndrome

 

[Troy Titor]

Florida_Jim

I don't want you to consider this an attack about this but I must ask... Why do you feel the "e-mail" has anything to do with your "alter-views"? You said you don't remember any e-mail in 1998 and your views started in May 2001. It would seem they are totally unrelated. Had your views started sometime in 1998 or 1999... then maybe you could assert a connection but, three years later with no recollection of a revelation in 1998...no.
You and others that make these claims are more than likely experiencing false or perhaps incomplete memories. This is very common among some and has occurred to some extent for everyone... no exceptions. Memory is the most fallible of human traits. It's all a matter of perception. Your eyes 'see' everything. Your brain has to process what's important at every given moment. With so much information coming in, it simply ignores what it deems unnecessary at that time. Unfortunately, sometimes it does this while we should be paying attention. "What are you talking about? When did you tell me to take the trash out?"
I have traveled the same route from my town to Chicago literally hundreds of times. One day, after a sever storm the night before, I noticed a small pop-up trailer that I had seen many times before setting on the west side of a pond, the kind you see near overpasses where dirt was taken to build up the ground level to cross the highway. This morning it was all the way across to the east side and setting half in the water. I said to my friend, "Look at that. The storm blew that trailer all the way across to the other side and into the water." His reply was, "You don't look around much do you? That's been over there since last summer."
A time slip? No. An alternate universe? No, nothing so spectacular. A familiar place that had changed but my memory of it hadn't because the change, as far as my brain was concerned, was to insignificant be placed in long term memory. Not everything is or even can be saved by your brain into long term memory. That's one of the reasons for dreams. The brain sorts out the information it has recently accumulated in what we may experience as a very real event or a jumble of mixed up events and it discards what it deems to be unnecessary. That's why most dreams are so hard to recall. They have been "deleted" from memory.
I hate to be such a damned scientist, but this explanation is far more likely to be correct than time slips.
Sorry.
Read up on it yourself if you wish to understand it better.
Look this up as a start.
False memory syndrome

Yes, thanks! Honestly, I wasn't too sure about the "time slip" stuff myself, so thanks for explaining it for me.
Gotta admit though, while the most likely cause is in fact just my brain not processing what I'm seeing, I would prefer "time slips." Ah, well. The many woes of living in a rational universe.

Thanks again for the clarification Gpa!

 

[Florida_Jim]

I don't want you to consider this an attack about this but I must ask... Why do you feel the "e-mail" has anything to do with your "alter-views"? You said you don't remember any e-mail in 1998 and your views started in May 2001. It would seem they are totally unrelated. Had your views started sometime in 1998 or 1999... then maybe you could assert a connection but, three years later with no recollection of a revelation in 1998...no.

No worries. I've developed a thick skin and I don't expect anyone to believe me; it's an unbelievable story. I'm also aware of the taint put upon my story due to its connection to John Titor, who is widely believed to be a hoax. As far as the connection between my email to 1998 and my experiences in May 2001, I can only offer conjecture based on deduction...

Causality seems to exist, no matter the time or dimension involved. My action in March 2001 caused a change in a parallel universe in 1998, thus locking me in sync with that time and dimension. Again, it was not "my" 1998. It was the 1998 of an alternate version of me whose life must have run very similarly to mine, until the introduction of the email. I conclude the similarity was close because the other me seems to have been able to answer the six personal questions I posited. Either that, or the passwords on the zip file I sent were cracked by someone else, which I anticipated. At that point, things diverged dramatically between my 1998 and the one which ran closely parallel. Titor claimed there would be no effect on this worldline, but he had himself experienced awareness of the differences between worldlines while traveling. Pamela experienced altervus while Titor was still here. I was late to the party! Why though? Wouldn't the changes be immediate from the moment I chose to send that email? They weren't. They were delayed. Once again, I can only make supposition. Perhaps Titor arrived in March or April 1998 and didn't send the emails immediately. Perhaps it took alter-Jim, or someone else, almost two months to crack the zip file.

I have traveled the same route from my town to Chicago literally hundreds of times. One day, after a sever storm the night before, I noticed a small pop-up trailer that I had seen many times before setting on the west side of a pond, the kind you see near overpasses where dirt was taken to build up the ground level to cross the highway. This morning it was all the way across to the east side and setting half in the water. I said to my friend, "Look at that. The storm blew that trailer all the way across to the other side and into the water." His reply was, "You don't look around much do you? That's been over there since last summer."

Now, imagine you arrived home after this experience and asked your family and friends, "When did that trailer end up there?" and they all agreed with your friend. Then, you went online and chatted with a few people who claimed to have similarly bizarre experiences at the same time, revolving around a singular event.

A time slip? No. An alternate universe? No, nothing so spectacular. A familiar place that had changed but my memory of it hadn't because the change, as far as my brain was concerned, was to insignificant be placed in long term memory. Not everything is or even can be saved by your brain into long term memory. That's one of the reasons for dreams. The brain sorts out the information it has recently accumulated in what we may experience as a very real event or a jumble of mixed up events and it discards what it deems to be unnecessary. That's why most dreams are so hard to recall. They have been "deleted" from memory.
I hate to be such a damned scientist, but this explanation is far more likely to be correct than time slips.

Occam's razor, right? I respect that. I remember watching a documentary maybe thirty years ago where a brain surgeon brought patients out of anesthesia, while their brain was exposed, so they could talk. He electrically stimulated the memory centers of the brain and found that people were able to describe, in perfect detail, moments from their past. There are people who do have much better recall than most. The actress Marilu Henner is one. She consulted on a police-procedural drama based on this phenomena. It's called, "Unforgettable" starring Poppy Montgomery.

Had I been the only person connected to Titor that experienced altervus, I would have believed I lost my mind. But I've come to believe that these experiences can (and do) happen to many people - if not all people. We dismiss them because they don't fit our psychological and sociological beliefs. We want to be "normal" and altervus are anything but.

 

[Einstein]

We could try to simulate the altervu phenomena. All Titor really did was to get the participants to do something he suggested. Thus tying the participants to his timeline. For all we know, this could be some psychological phenomena that he knew about prior to posting the little experiment.

Lets come up with some suggestions that everyone can agree on doing. Then we all will perform our own little altervu experiment to see if reality alters after participating.

 

[Troy Titor]

Even though Gpa seems to know what he's talking About, I'm willing to try this. What did you have in mind Einstein?

 

[Einstein]

Nobody seems to believe me when I say that just altering a daily routine habit will actual elicit this phenomena. But why not try the inside out shirt idea just for a day? I suppose some people may think it a bit odd. But stick with it for a day. At the end of the day just write down all the odd occurrences that you never noticed before.

 

[Troy Titor]

Nobody seems to believe me when I say that just altering a daily routine habit will actual elicit this phenomena. But why not try the inside out shirt idea just for a day? I suppose some people may think it a bit odd. But stick with it for a day. At the end of the day just write down all the odd occurrences that you never noticed before.

But wouldn't that just cause a placebo effect?

 

[Einstein]

But wouldn't that just cause a placebo effect?

Because you are looking for something, you think you might be more prone to notice a change.

So create a baseline. Try taking in as much detail about your surroundings before the day of the test. Then on the day of the test, memory of your surroundings as they were, would still be fresh in your mind. So discrepancies would be more noticeable.

 

[Troy Titor]

Because you are looking for something, you think you might be more prone to notice a change.

So create a baseline. Try taking in as much detail about your surroundings before the day of the test. Then on the day of the test, memory of your surroundings as they were, would still be fresh in your mind. So discrepancies would be more noticeable.

That sounds reasonable enough. I'll take in all my surroundings on Monday, and I'll try the test on Tuesday. Anybody else willing to try this experiment? C'mon, Gpa. I've become highly skeptical of this as well thanks to you, but we should at least test out what he says. It's not like it'll harm us in any way.

 

[Florida_Jim]

But wouldn't that just cause a placebo effect?

What have you got to lose? I think I'll try it. Some caveats: I've experienced the Déjà vu-like feeling then not noticed changes until a long time after. I've also noticed changes without having the altervu feeling first.

I like the shirt and shoes ideas Einstein. What other suggestions do you have? This could be fun.

 

[Troy Titor]

Because you are looking for something, you think you might be more prone to notice a change.

So create a baseline. Try taking in as much detail about your surroundings before the day of the test. Then on the day of the test, memory of your surroundings as they were, would still be fresh in your mind. So discrepancies would be more noticeable.

But I still have a small issue. Let's say that I actually do mentally travel to another world. Wouldn't the list I made of all the events have changed as well due to it being filled out differently? So basically, all I have to do is on Monday, make the list and memorize its contents, and then the next day I do your experiment, and at the end of the day check the list again. If I truly did transfer to another world, the list would have changed to reflect the alternate me's perspective. This would provide me with easy evidence supporting the theory, or evidence against the theory.

 

[Florida_Jim]

But I still have a small issue. Let's say that I actually do mentally travel to another world. Wouldn't the list I made of all the events have changed as well due to it being filled out differently? So basically, all I have to do is on Monday, make the list and memorize its contents, and then the next day I do your experiment, and at the end of the day check the list again. If I truly did transfer to another world, the list would have changed to reflect the alternate me's perspective. This would provide me with easy evidence supporting the theory, or evidence against the theory.

Uh ... no list. Just memorize.

 

[Troy Titor]

Uh ... no list. Just memorize.

I still have to memorize everything for this to work, as I would no longer be able to rely on the new list for accurate information about the new worldline.

 

[Einstein]

But I still have a small issue. Let's say that I actually do mentally travel to another world. Wouldn't the list I made of all the events have changed as well due to it being filled out differently? So basically, all I have to do is on Monday, make the list and memorize its contents, and then the next day I do your experiment, and at the end of the day check the list again. If I truly did transfer to another world, the list would have changed to reflect the alternate me's perspective. This would provide me with easy evidence supporting the theory, or evidence against the theory.

It wont do any good to make a list. Just use your memory as best you can. The thing I would like to point out is if something radical does change, it would be a confirmation of an ability as to the way our minds work. But I have no way to make it change back. But in my experience, these things are happening to us all the time. I think most people actually have built up an immunity to the observations. Perhaps by accepting faulty memory as an easy explanation.

 

[Troy Titor]

It wont do any good to make a list. Just use your memory as best you can. The thing I would like to point out is if something radical does change, it would be a confirmation of an ability as to the way our minds work. But I have no way to make it change back. But in my experience, these things are happening to us all the time. I think most people actually have built up an immunity to the observations. Perhaps by accepting faulty memory as an easy explanation.

I'll try it out then, just to see what happens. I'll perform multiple tests, in fact, over the course of the next few weeks. I'll publish my data here as it comes in. I believe everyone else should do the same.

 

[Einstein]

I like the shirt and shoes ideas Einstein. What other suggestions do you have? This could be fun.

There is another suggestion that I have never tried. Most people are right handed. But whichever way you are, just switch hands for a day. Perhaps by keeping the hand that you normally use in your pocket. It wouldn't surprise me that after a bit you might become used to it. But the idea is to trick your brain into switching places with the alteryou. That might be a timeline so far removed from the present that you would be guaranteed some entertainment.

 

[Troy Titor]

There is another suggestion that I have never tried. Most people are right handed. But whichever way you are, just switch hands for a day. Perhaps by keeping the hand that you normally use in your pocket. It wouldn't surprise me that after a bit you might become used to it. But the idea is to trick your brain into switching places with the alteryou. That might be a timeline so far removed from the present that you would be guaranteed some entertainment.

If this does somehow occur, though, then we would never hear about the results of the experiment from eachother. Or perhaps our alternates will meet each other using our accounts.