Re: Hello…Past. I'm the Future.
TIME is PERCEIVED.IT IS A PERCEPTION .Note well that If there were no perception,TIME CEASES TO EXIST.Now,THAT PERCEPTION IS PERSONAL.<<
I will have to disagree with this for the sake of this argument. On one hand, if the universe unfolded with no life whatsoever in it, you could say the universe is moot… irrelevant.
However, we became self-aware beings some 14 billion years into the universe’s existence. When we became self-aware, we looked out and saw 14 billion years-worth of history all around us.
The question is: did our observing the universe cause the universe to come into being, or is the universe here whether or not we’re in it?
If we are the only life in the universe and if we nuked ourselves to extinction, would the universe continue to exist after we’re gone? I would have to say yes- mostly because we already percieved the universe.
The problem with this question and answer is that we are now in the realm of existentialism.
The only summation I can offer is that while the universe may not have existed until we were able to percieve it, regardless- we came about through a logical process that took 14 billion years to unfold… we would not be here unless “the unseen universe” came before us. As such, the universe around us really exists.
(NOTE: The converse argument to this is “Every person in the world lives in their own universe” and this is Rainman talk. If this is true, then if I decided to find you and kill you, you should be able to stop me with brain power. And for that matter, food should magically appear in front of you with brain power too whenever you wanted it… this is not reality.)
TIME comes from the change caused by the interaction of the moving object with ENERGY FIELD.<<
While I can easily agree with this I also ask- if there is a relationship between time and energy then how should we classify the Oort Cloud?
When there is a CHANGE of LOCATION WITHIN that field, NEW SETS OF SIGNALS ARE GENERATED and transmitted in ALL DIRECTONS.We ACKNOWLEDGE THESE signals VIA our NEURAL Systems.In essence without signals there is no time;.So I may say THERE IS ONLY RECORDED MOTION IN ENERGY FIELD and there is NO ‘TIME’.<<
This I disagree with. If time exists… or whatever we all agree time is, is based on things that encompass every part of the universe. As such, any change (which would result as “more time”) must connect to every other part of the universe. “To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe” -Sagan
Any change within any field will affect all other fields everywhere else. As far as recorded motion in energy, once again what is the Oort Cloud? A trillion bits of flying debris, all very near absolute zero. “Well since it is so cold and inert, is it still there?” Ask the dinosaurs.
As we observe an object in motion, it appears to be getting larger. What we don’t see is the other half of that object getting smaller. Well, since any object “gets larger” and “gets smaller” at the same ratio, it is conserved. It’s not “changing” as much as “traversing”.
Now , if on (inside) that expanding spherical face you luckily have a way of observing other objects (inside the face) in relative motion to you.<<
For a mind experiment, let’s use a Dyson Sphere: a hollow sphere the diameter of the orbit of the Earth around the sun- this is the interior spherical face. Standing inside a Dyson Sphere you would look up and see China. Looking down there is the floor and underneath that (or “outside”) is space.
A NEW STATE OF AWARENESS OR CONSCIOUSNESS IS REFRESHED UPON YOUR MIND AT CERTAIN INTERVALS OR CYCLES just like the Optical Sampling of the Human eyes is FIXED (Persistence of Vision ,etc).<<
When? When you go to sleep? When you blink? This is where I disagree- the universe around us exists whether we’re in it or not. The fact that existence exists is proof that existence exists. Research “Planck Units”.
So I can say ,These CYCLE or SIGNAL INTERVALS give us an AWARENESS of CHANGE we call time.<<
I disagree in two different ways. First is conservation- nothing ever “changes” and secondly, it is possible to see change- stare at an ice cube at room temperature. Then put a second ice cube in a closed box. Did the second ice cube melt?
THE UPDATING of the INFORMATION of that Relatively Moving object (to you) tells you of a NEW OCCURENCE due to LOCATIONAL CHANGE. That INFORMATION given to you PAINTS a picture of 'TIME’.<<
I see where you’re going with this, but you’re wording it poorly. For example, we watch a spaceship inside the Dyson Sphere going from A to B. We have nothing to gague its speed against since we’re inside a Dyson Sphere, as such the spaceship becomes “time” because it’s the only thing we see moving from A to B. If we took successive pictures of the spaceship it would not be an indicator of speed unless we knew the spance of time between each picture (i.e. “24 frames per second”).
This does not mean that the spaceship represents time, it only means the ship is in motion. You didn’t take into account that there must be “one time” everywhere inside the Dyson Sphere. In this case, that “one time” is the Sphere itself.
We can’t say that we measure time by the spaceship because we don’t. We measure time by the Dyson Sphere. If the Earth blew up tomorrow, Earth time would also end.
The picture is a LAYERING, it is not linear but BUILDS OUTWARD in all direction like the Annual rings of a tree…In fact its your NEURAL LAYERS!<<
No it’s not- for every part that increases, there is an equal part that decreases. The net-effect of this is akin to a dot on your screen going from left to right- the dot is not actually moving, a series of lights are being switched on and off and we percieve this as motion. Planck Units.
So we may say (albeit prematurely) that TIME is PERCEIVED. IT IS A PERCEPTION .Note well that If there were no perception, TIME CEASES TO EXIST.Now,THAT PERCEPTION IS PERSONAL."<<
I disagree. If I went back in a time machine and killed your grandfather, would the universe cease to exist because your personal perception no longer exists? The universe exists, we also exist- somewhere within the universe.
Standard Theory of Physics is OK with me but I’m attempting to do some ‘exploits’ in ‘amateur’ alternative Science here…so please can you patiently bear with me?<<
This is mostly existentialism you’re talking about- your research should start there. I’m sure there’s some online Descartes that will bake your noodle if you get into it.
If the LENGTH of a speeding Aircraft is SHORTENED for OBSERVER<<
The only way a speeding aircraft could be percieved to get “shorter” is if it’s slowing down as it approaches- in other words coming towards you.
and the LENGTH of the OBSERVER is SHORTENED in the View of the OBSERVED<<
The only way the people in that ship could look out and percieve anything getting “shorter” is if that thing is coming towards that ship at an even greater speed, which makes this illogical- this is an impossible view:
-Object A is approaching B and slowing down as it approaches.
-Object B is speeding up as it approaches A.
Try picturing this.
PS- It’s easier on the eyes of you space out your thoughts.