The Mystery Spot
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Henry Stone
Chrono Cadet
Sorry to be such a nay-sayer, but I watched most of those videos, and it's all fairly simple optical illusions. I'd love to go into details, but that would just be a "uh-huh" "nuh-huh" kind of deal, so I have to pull out the mean old logic bomb I use in most cases like this: If there was anything, anywhere, at any point in time, in nature, that allowed things to counter the laws of nature, no civilian would ever be let near it. A place where things roll up hill? Endless free energy (things go up for free, come down elsewhere for free, we got a generator). A place where things change size against all alws of nature? Again, free energy, but also the opportunity to create some nasty machines, depending on how the physics of it all works!
Not to mock a good optical illusion, though. Those things are amazing, and fun as all hell. But making it supernatural seems to me like taking credit away from the cool but perfectly natural effects that are occuring.
Also, if a haunted house charges you a few or sells souvenirs in the lobby... Sorry, it's not haunted.
Not to mock a good optical illusion, though. Those things are amazing, and fun as all hell. But making it supernatural seems to me like taking credit away from the cool but perfectly natural effects that are occuring.
Also, if a haunted house charges you a few or sells souvenirs in the lobby... Sorry, it's not haunted.
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
Your built in internal equilibrium and up down orientation ability will automatically tell you if you are going uphill or downhill. It does appear that the guy in GPA's video is not aware of this natural ability we all have. You can close your eyes and easily tell if you are walking up a hill or down a hill without relying on any visual cues. And the fact that using a level to indicate you are on flat ground just adds to the mystery. So any attempt to explain the phenomena away by ignoring and throwing away undesirable data is not even close to science.
Just based on the information we have so far: Visually it appears the hill slopes upward. But it has been demonstrated there is a length distortion phenomena present. So does the length distortion phenomena tell our eyes one thing, while our equilibrium and up down sense tell us something else?
There are measuring tools that use sound waves to measure length in addition to EM waves to measure length. And a mechanical tape measure can also be used. I do suspect that these measuring devices will not be in agreement with each other inside one of these distortion areas.
Just based on the information we have so far: Visually it appears the hill slopes upward. But it has been demonstrated there is a length distortion phenomena present. So does the length distortion phenomena tell our eyes one thing, while our equilibrium and up down sense tell us something else?
There are measuring tools that use sound waves to measure length in addition to EM waves to measure length. And a mechanical tape measure can also be used. I do suspect that these measuring devices will not be in agreement with each other inside one of these distortion areas.
Henry Stone
Chrono Cadet
.... then go weigh yourself on the shrinking side?
It would appear you are unaware of the natural ability of the brain to be fooled quite easily. Did you look at any of the links I provided? Did you examine any of the illusions in the link I provided? If you are capable of understanding the principles involved, you will understand how it appears as it does.
Actually it will be your feet and legs that make you aware that you are going up or down hill. Your inner ear will only tell your muscles to adjust the angle between it and the force of gravity.Have you ever scuba dived? Without visual reference, as in night diving, or having been disorientated when entering the water, flipping or, ditching an aircraft, you can not tell up from down. You are taught, "To follow your bubbles".
Have you ever been on one of the roller coaster simulators? The visual illusion, in addition to the slight physical motion, cause a feeling of actually being on a real roller coaster.
It is all in your head... caused by your brain... nothing else.
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
GPA
I do realize you are trying to explain away the physical facts as if they don't exist. That's where we differ. The facts are immutable. Your armchair theory is nothing but fiction. It does appear that you are the one with the smoke and mirrors.
The camera does catch the height change. Which is in direct agreement with the actual physical observations.
You may recall that I challenged RMT to duplicate this effect in his backyard with a crooked fence long ago. He never got back to me with that. Perhaps you would like to take the challenge yourself. Don't forget, you have to fool the camera too. Good Luck.
I do realize you are trying to explain away the physical facts as if they don't exist. That's where we differ. The facts are immutable. Your armchair theory is nothing but fiction. It does appear that you are the one with the smoke and mirrors.
The camera does catch the height change. Which is in direct agreement with the actual physical observations.
You may recall that I challenged RMT to duplicate this effect in his backyard with a crooked fence long ago. He never got back to me with that. Perhaps you would like to take the challenge yourself. Don't forget, you have to fool the camera too. Good Luck.
It's a gravity spot.Does change you.http://paranormal.about.com/od/earthmysteries/ig/Mystery-Spots-and-Gravity-Hills/Mystery-Hill.htm
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
A level, just to see if the hill really slopes upward as the car rolls uphill. A laser distance meter. I think that might be expensive. But it uses light to measure distance. Are you shrinking as you go into these areas? Just point it at the ground. You'll know what it says in normal situations. I'll bet it shows something different in these areas. Apparently the light is not being affected like the dimensions of length. So a tape measure would shrink with you. But I'll bet that rule doesn't apply to light.
The phone stop watches may update automatically. So that might not be a reliable time piece to use.
The phone stop watches may update automatically. So that might not be a reliable time piece to use.
We have gone over this thoroughly and I offered "proof" in the video in post #20. You refuse to accept that proof, as measured and demonstrated by a surveyor's instruments so, there is nothing better than what was presented in that video, that I could offer you. It is "solid', measured in the real world, (like you prefer) proof that ,the hill that appears to let cars roll uphill, is actually down hill within a tilted landmass. That is the same principle that affects our perception at The Mystery Spot and all other places like it.
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
Looks like you are attempting misdirection as a method to make your case. Sorry, I don't buy it. I also noticed a lack of any data by the surveyor to measure perceived height changes that are caught by the camera. That is deliberate misdirection. The real fact is you can not cause an object to change its physical dimensions by altering visual cues. Yet the physical height change is easily caught and recorded by camera in these gravitational anomaly areas.
I'm still willing to see you duplicate a recordable height change using the visual cue method you are using to misdirect us all from the actual facts. Please do so outside one of these gravitational anomaly areas.
I'm still willing to see you duplicate a recordable height change using the visual cue method you are using to misdirect us all from the actual facts. Please do so outside one of these gravitational anomaly areas.
Einstein;
As I have stated before, I think sometimes you just like to be disputatious.
Did you watch the video? In it, the surveyor not only shows a graphical detail of his measurements (1:50-1:53) but, the camera operator does a camera swing from the water horizon to the mountainous area with the horizon "line" drawn in for reference (2:18-2:28). The Psycologist's demonstration at (2:26-2:56) is EXACTLY what you are being subjected to, by the design of The Mystery Spot and others. No mystery...it's an optical illusion... caused by your brain's compensating for the "discrepency" between the spatial map recorded in your hippocampus to the visual information being presented by "what your eyes are seeing" presently.
Just because you are, for whatever reason, unwilling or incapable of understanding the reason why these sites can present the optical illusion of a change in size, why should I even consider trying to "prove" to you the cause. If I took a 10 foot pole and marked my height on it and moved from one side of this location to the other and revealed the mark is still the same... you would simply spew more nonsense and say... the pole's size changed too. Believe your fantacy if you want... it's your life.
As I have stated before, I think sometimes you just like to be disputatious.
Did you watch the video? In it, the surveyor not only shows a graphical detail of his measurements (1:50-1:53) but, the camera operator does a camera swing from the water horizon to the mountainous area with the horizon "line" drawn in for reference (2:18-2:28). The Psycologist's demonstration at (2:26-2:56) is EXACTLY what you are being subjected to, by the design of The Mystery Spot and others. No mystery...it's an optical illusion... caused by your brain's compensating for the "discrepency" between the spatial map recorded in your hippocampus to the visual information being presented by "what your eyes are seeing" presently.
Just because you are, for whatever reason, unwilling or incapable of understanding the reason why these sites can present the optical illusion of a change in size, why should I even consider trying to "prove" to you the cause. If I took a 10 foot pole and marked my height on it and moved from one side of this location to the other and revealed the mark is still the same... you would simply spew more nonsense and say... the pole's size changed too. Believe your fantacy if you want... it's your life.
Einstein
Dimensional Traveler
"disputatious"
Golly gee! That's a word. First time I've seen it.
Yes, I did watch the video. But there is a major flaw that we are not told about. The true direction of vertical. Is it skewed? Doesn't a surveyor use the local gravity vector to determine what horizontal is? If vertical is off by a few degrees, then horizontal will appear to be tilted. Hasn't it been demonstrated at these gravitational anomalies that a pendulum will swing further one way than the other?
And then the one major fact that all the debunkers seem to leave out of their explanations. The physical height change. It is being called an illusion. But no one has yet to show it is an illusion by demonstrating outside one of these anomaly areas how it occurs. The camera catches a height change inside an anomaly area. Yet outside these anomaly areas height changes do not occur.
I can see you aren't willing to take the height change challenge test. Are you also attempting to avoid admitting an inability to do so?
Real facts trump armchair physics every single time.
Golly gee! That's a word. First time I've seen it.
Yes, I did watch the video. But there is a major flaw that we are not told about. The true direction of vertical. Is it skewed? Doesn't a surveyor use the local gravity vector to determine what horizontal is? If vertical is off by a few degrees, then horizontal will appear to be tilted. Hasn't it been demonstrated at these gravitational anomalies that a pendulum will swing further one way than the other?
And then the one major fact that all the debunkers seem to leave out of their explanations. The physical height change. It is being called an illusion. But no one has yet to show it is an illusion by demonstrating outside one of these anomaly areas how it occurs. The camera catches a height change inside an anomaly area. Yet outside these anomaly areas height changes do not occur.
I can see you aren't willing to take the height change challenge test. Are you also attempting to avoid admitting an inability to do so?
Real facts trump armchair physics every single time.
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